sjc Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I read an interesting book recently that mentioned. Israeli historian, Shlomo Sand's findings that questioned Palestine being the ancestral land of Jewish people. He points to Israeli geneticist, Eran Elhaik's research that traces the origins of the Ashkenazim Jews (Founding Jews) was actually in Northeast Turkey. The irony of ironies would be that the majority of Palestinians driven from their ancestral home over the last 100years were probably decedents of the original Jews that converted to Islam in the 7th century! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 9 hours ago, NorthernLights said: Don't worry everyone Trump has sorted it all out. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51288218 Think Trump's been watching Escape from New York. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Even the right wing Jerusalem Post thinks Kushner was left alone with his crayons too long. https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Ten-things-about-the-borders-bridges-and-tunnels-of-the-Trump-peace-plan-615738 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: Even the right wing Jerusalem Post thinks Kushner was left alone with his crayons too long. https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Ten-things-about-the-borders-bridges-and-tunnels-of-the-Trump-peace-plan-615738 It all seems perfectly straightforward... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I wonder if they send any experts to Scotland to see how the A835 was used to link up the various parts of Cromartyshire 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 On the subject of enclaves you just have to look at Turkestan which Stalin deliberately split up into 5 republics with arbitrary borders. There are enclaves of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan within Kyrgyzstan and similarly the reverse. There have been numerous flare-ups. Having an enclave in somebody else's country is not a good idea. It is easy for them to blockade it and you look weak if you do nothing about it. The Berlin airlift illustrates the point. Any Israel/Palestine agreement that involves enclaves would be a disaster. They would be constant flash points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I must have missed all the concessions the Israelis have made, Bibi probably drew the map himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: I must have missed all the concessions the Israelis have made, Bibi probably drew the map himself. What an absolute arsehole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Malkmus Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Looks like it's properly kicking off. The Palestinians have done the equivalent of taking a 1-0 lead in the first minute of a game against the Old Firm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Major fighting in Southern Israel after armed groups infiltrated from Gaza via sea, land and air. There is footage of mechanised paraglides being used to drop infiltrators. There was a massive salvo of several hundred rockets fired at the town of Sderot. There are ongoing firefights, with an Israeli police station seized. There are also images of civilians who have been killed, some really horrific scenes. It seems like a group of elderly Israelis at a bus stop were massacred and there are images of dead Israeli children who have been shot. There are also images of Israelis killed in their homes. It seems certain this will lead to a new war between Israel and Hamas. It’s also a huge intelligence and security failure by Israel to fail to predict or prevent this attack. This also makes escalation between Israel and Iran a lot more likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Hamas fighters have overrun an Israeli military base, destroying at least one Israeli tank. Israels defence minister has said that Hamas has “declared war on the state of Israel”. Mobilisation of Israeli reservists is underway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 This looks to be pretty serious. Massive intelligence failure on the part of Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Some of the videos online are horrific, Israeli retribution will probably be brutal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, bennett said: Some of the videos online are horrific, Israeli retribution will probably be brutal. No "probably" about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Hamas cannot win , unless they get Iran directly involved 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: Hamas cannot win , unless they get Iran directly involved Nobody can "win". Just more human beings getting squished. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Cosmic Joe said: Nobody can "win". Just more human beings getting squished. In the name of religion...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, RH33 said: In the name of religion...... Fighting over land more than fighting over religion in my opinion. Divided by religion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Just now, Cosmic Joe said: Fighting over land more than fighting over religion in my opinion. Divided by religion. Yes, probably better way of summarising it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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