BerwickMad Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 If you start a sentence beginning with 'generally' you're f*cked. Not really. The general trend in the west is toward integration, not seperation. You will find the odd exception, and its happening at different paces in different places, but all the same, the general trend is heading towards more integration and more globalisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RTB Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Not at all. I'm proud to be Scottish. Every bit as I am proud to be British.What I don't comprehend, is why I have to be in favour of Independence simply because I was born and grow up in Scotland, and that, by the same token, if I am against Independence, I am automatically anti-Scottish or ashamed of Scottish heritage. You at least answer some things in an honest way though i will never agree with your unionist stance. Sadly others have the hate thy self jocko attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 FOR. And after a quick scan of the thread its lovely to see the unionists using all their worn out stereotypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oddjob Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Care to elaborate on this frankly meaningless and drivelling statement? Serious question: Are you a virgin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Aye, the lack of industry within your great UK utopia. Thatcher/Blair/Brown - Tory/Nu LaborThe Union of the Crowns happened some time before the Act of Union was forced undemocratically upon the citizens of Scotland. However, in every democratic election Scotland has ever seen, the majority of voters have voted for parties whos policy is to remain in the Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Aye, the lack of industry within your great UK utopia. Thatcher/Blair/Brown - Tory/Nu LaborThe Union of the Crowns happened some time before the Act of Union was forced undemocratically upon the citizens of Scotland. We went into the union because the idiot government of the time bankrupted us. Nothing was forced, it was voluntary. If it was forced upon us, why do we retain a separate legal system amongst other things? Anyone who actually believes it was forced on Scotland is quite frankly, a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Aye, the lack of industry within your great UK utopia. Thatcher/Blair/Brown - Tory/Nu LaborThe Union of the Crowns happened some time before the Act of Union was forced undemocratically upon the citizens of Scotland. That's because democracy in the modern sense didn't exist at the time. Should the Gaels have their land back, or maybe the Picts? That wasn't democratic now was it? I dont know, I think you might see a significant movement - bear in mind the new reppublic of scotland would not immediately be in the EU or the EEC and I would guess be effectively removed from any trade agreements set up whilst part of the UK - I'm not implying these things wouldnt get set up but they would take time and some major companies would probably relocate down south. Anything like that would be very short term. I should point out that there is no guarantee that an independent Scotland would be a Republic, and that the only major pro-Independence party has made it clear that they would join the European Union as soon as possible. I somewhat doubt that for that short term of maybe a year at most (they'd have agreed a framework with the EU in advance if they had half a brain between them for a smooth transfer) that businesses would see sense in potentially expensive moving of headquarters elsewhere. If anything, the lack of trade red tape would probably attract businesses in the VERY short term. And I say this as a Unionist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Serious question: Are you a virgin? Serious question: Are you as much of a fucktard in real life as on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 FOR.And after a quick scan of the thread its lovely to see the unionists using all their worn out stereotypes. Whilst the nationalists use their worn out nonsense of Scotland being "forced" into the union in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 By the way: Yes to Independence Yes to The EU Yes to more immigration Yes to the Euro currency No to nuclear weapons Whilst the nationalists use their worn out nonsense of Scotland being "forced" into the union in the first place smile.gif Some do, but there are many who don't. In the pro-independence camp (not nationalist!), we condemn those who resort to the lazy crap braveheart anti Englishness, even though they be few. Meanwhile, in the unionist camp, the slavering anti Scots are encouraged by their more sensible unionist brethren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLF Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Sadly others have the hate thy self jocko attitude. Im not sure why you think this, most folk i know are both proud to be scottish and happy to be in the union - I dont know anyone actually who hates 'being scottish' both pro and anti independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 By the way:Yes to Independence Yes to The EU Yes to more immigration Yes to the Euro currency No to nuclear weapons To sum up my views: No to Independence Like the principle of the EU, but not the way it operates Yes to more immigration (principally) No to the Euro currency Yes to nuclear weapons There that's much simpler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 By the way:Yes to Independence Yes to The EU Yes to more immigration Yes to the Euro currency No to nuclear weapons Someone's feeling mischievous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naught A Chance Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Couldnt possibly be more against Independence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Aye, the lack of industry within your great UK utopia. Thatcher/Blair/Brown - Tory/Nu LaborThe Union of the Crowns happened some time before the Act of Union was forced undemocratically upon the citizens of Scotland. Everything was forced on the citizens of Scotland at that time though. The only folk with a vote were the landed gentry and the clergy and a few others. Peasants like yourself had no say in anything. If your clan chief told you to go and fight then you had to go and fight or be turfed off your croft But everything was so much better back then wasn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLF Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Anything like that would be very short term. I should point out that there is no guarantee that an independent Scotland would be a Republic, and that the only major pro-Independence party has made it clear that they would join the European Union as soon as possible. I somewhat doubt that for that short term of maybe a year at most (they'd have agreed a framework with the EU in advance if they had half a brain between them for a smooth transfer) that businesses would see sense in potentially expensive moving of headquarters elsewhere. If anything, the lack of trade red tape would probably attract businesses in the VERY short term.And I say this as a Unionist As I see it there are 2 problems in what you say, 1 - you say it would be short term but there are many countries in the eastern block who have been waiting for years to get full member status - now i know we are not in the same situation but equally i dont think it would be as quick as you might suggest. 2 - 'if they had half a brain between them' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Aye, the lack of industry within your great UK utopia. Thatcher/Blair/Brown - Tory/Nu LaborThe Union of the Crowns happened some time before the Act of Union was forced undemocratically upon the citizens of Scotland. :lol: You really are clueless right! So your blaming Thatcher for something that was inevitable. We live in a world now where globalization is impossible to avoid and it naturally hits trade. People were buying coal at cheaper prices than it was for sale here. I know that she was a bint for causing harm to the livelyhood of so many but she recognized that British industries were on their last legs. You can't blame her for people buying elsewhere. As for the Act of the union, we needed it. Scotland had a horrific debt run up by over-indulgence. James merely used his initiative to burden the debt on the rest of England and Wales too. As for democratic thinking, that when you know you are talking pish. We're looking at 1707...not 2007. Most common men and women didn't have the vote. Indeed, normal women had little influence in day to day life. We still had slavery present within our empire and Britain. So to think the people would be consulted on this is lunacy. Most people saw it as another treaty and didn't care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oddjob Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 ... the general trend is heading towards more integration and more globalisation. Is it really? I don't believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RTB Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I dont know, I think you might see a significant movement - bear in mind the 'new republic of scotland' would not immediately be in the EU or the EEC and I would guess be effectively removed from any trade agreements set up whilst part of the UK - I'm not implying these things wouldnt get set up but they would take time and some major companies would probably relocate down south. ...and with Scotland becoming an independent country the UK would no longer exist. Thus meaning England would not immediately be in the EU or EEC. It does work both ways though i don't see this as a problem for either country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLF Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 ...and with Scotland becoming an independent country the UK would no longer exist. Thus meaning England would not immediately be in the EU or EEC. It does work both ways though i don't see this as a problem for either country. the UK would still exist it just wouldnt include scotland! eta: actually even if it ceased to exist and therefor england wales and NI are no longer in the EU and EEC - how does that make the situation i described any better? 'we're in trouble, but dont wory. we've made sure everyone else is too!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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