Gordon EF Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 3 pence in the gallon for Scotland. Rest to the rest of the UK. Are you going to admit that you were wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Are you going to admit that you were wrong? About what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 About what? International law regarding oil field ownership? You've been pretty wide of the mark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 About what? England, Northern Ireland and Wales having a valid claim to equal ownership of an independant Scotland's oil resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 International law regarding oil field ownership? You've been pretty wide of the mark! To an extent, yes. But since not all of the Oil sources currently in UK waters, and refinery and extraction crosses borders, there would be complications in defining exactly how much oil was extracted from which country's wells or resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 England, Northern Ireland and Wales having a valid claim to equal ownership of an independant Scotland's oil resources. I never said it was equal ownership. Just an equally valid claim to ownership. Not the same thing. Given that UK investment has helped to establish the Oil Industry in Scottish Waters, I would suggest that at they do at least have a claim to some of the proceeds even if Scotland became independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I never said it was equal ownership. Just an equally valid claim to ownership. Not the same thing. Given that UK investment has helped to establish the Oil Industry in Scottish Waters, I would suggest that at they do at least have a claim to some of the proceeds even if Scotland became independent. You said it was the UK's oil as much as it was Scotland's oil. That seems pretty clear to me. Surely UK investment has helped to establish almost every industry in Britain. Do you think an independant Scotland should be able to cliam a slice of every industry in England, NI, Wales after independance? Seeing as we only make up 8% of the UK population, that would mean we'd get shitloads of money. A great economic case for independance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 You said it was the UK's oil as much as it was Scotland's oil. That seems pretty clear to me.Surely UK investment has helped to establish almost every industry in Britain. Do you think an independant Scotland should be able to cliam a slice of every industry in England, NI, Wales after independance? Seeing as we only make up 8% of the UK population, that would mean we'd get shitloads of money. A great economic case for independance. Only a slice relative to its investment. Monies from UK governments, with taxpayers' money from all of the UK has been essential to the growth of the Oil Industry in Scotland. It is safe to say that overall, taxpayers of other UK territories than Scotland have contributed more towards the Oil industry than Scottish taxpayers have paid towards other industries. To that end, they are entitled to an appropriate cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Only a slice relative to its investment. Monies from UK governments, with taxpayers' money from all of the UK has been essential to the growth of the Oil Industry in Scotland. It is safe to say that overall, taxpayers of other UK territories than Scotland have contributed more towards the Oil industry than Scottish taxpayers have paid towards other industries. To that end, they are entitled to an appropriate cut. on the same note we would be entitled to a share of the oil and gas fields off yarmouth/hull and blackpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 on the same note we would be entitled to a share of the oil and gas fields off yarmouth/hull and blackpool We would if our taxes had contributed towards a greater share of the infrastructure of UK oil extraction than the rest of the UK's taxpayers. I'd suggest that isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 to tell you the truth its probably the american dollar thats contributed more to the oil and gas business in any country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 to tell you the truth its probably the american dollar thats contributed more to the oil and gas business in any country Not the American Taxpayer's money though. Not the American Government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Not the American Taxpayer's money though. Not the American Government. no definetly not,maybe in halliburtons though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 We would if our taxes had contributed towards a greater share of the infrastructure of UK oil extraction than the rest of the UK's taxpayers. I'd suggest that isn't the case. Does a similar arrangement exist between the ex-Soviet Union or the former Czechaslovakia or former Yugoslavia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Does a similar arrangement exist between the ex-Soviet Union or the former Czechaslovakia or former Yugoslavia? If it doesn't, it should Fairness over Self-Interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 How much of a thread can one read before they get seriously pissed off with the inability of many folk to spell "independent" and all its variants with three e's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 How much of a thread can one read before they get seriously pissed off with the inability of many folk to spell "independent" and all its variants with three e's? Indeed. I hope I haven't tripped up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 If it doesn't, it should Fairness over Self-Interest. If it doesn't then there's no reason to suggest it would happen with the UK. Therefore Scotland would keep all revenue from oil in Scottish waters. A financial upside of independence. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 If it doesn't then there's no reason to suggest it would happen with the UK. Therefore Scotland would keep all revenue from oil in Scottish waters. A financial upside of independence. No? Yes it would be, but can't this re-allocation be done through the Union? For example, could we not adjust the aforementioned Barnet formula to account for this? The economic benefit can be achieved without Independence. Therefore it remains unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags_mad Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Yes it would be, but can't this re-allocation be done through the Union? For example, could we not adjust the aforementioned Barnet formula to account for this?The economic benefit can be achieved without Independence. Therefore it remains unnecessary. regardless of the economic benefit and how it could be achieved, if the majority of scots want an idependent Scotland then it WILL happen!! i feel this wont be to long in comin u can just take the huff and not get a Scottish passport, suits me just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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