topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 New law reform being introduced on a trial basis Red card will see the player out for the rest of the game but their team can replace them after 20 minutes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 19 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: New law reform being introduced on a trial basis Red card will see the player out for the rest of the game but their team can replace them after 20 minutes that is the one trial laws i don't fully agree with. I am ok with a player getting subbed after red for 2 yellows. But a player getting a straight red should not be able to get replaced 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, ajwffc said: that is the one trial laws i don't fully agree with. I am ok with a player getting subbed after red for 2 yellows. But a player getting a straight red should not be able to get replaced As you say, the big issue with it is that there are grey areas in red card offences. 2 yellows for killing the ball =/= getting your timing wrong on a challenge in the air =/= levelling a guy in the head with your shoulder at full tilt and so on. For me though, it comes down to the simple rule of "if you don't want sent off, don't take the risk of committing the offence", and grading of red card should be dealt with in the suspension process, rather than during the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 I think it makes a bit of a mockery of the game, especially when you have a campaign to stop subs being made apart from injuries. Its just more bringing fresh legs on and doesnt really punish the team who take the red card, as they will just waste time until they get the man back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, honestly united said: I think it makes a bit of a mockery of the game, especially when you have a campaign to stop subs being made apart from injuries. Its just more bringing fresh legs on and doesnt really punish the team who take the red card, as they will just waste time until they get the man back In practice the current set up means that one stupid offence can see you team a man down for anything between a trivial 1 minute and a game costing 79 minutes so this at least makes things more consistent and will probably mean more early red card offences actually get red cards from referees, especially at lower levels of the game It’s an experimental change though so the IRB will have the option of making it 25 or 30 minutes if 20 doesn’t seem enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Ex Wallaby and current Tonga coach, Toutai Kefu, in a bad way after a home invasion. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-16/qld-coorparoo-toutai-kefu-rugby-home-invasion-stabbing-wallabies/100379366 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 two teenagers (one 14 year old and one 15 year old) arrested with one being charged with attempted murder. https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/12383493/toutai-kefu-australian-world-cup-winner-recovering-well-after-violent-attack 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, ajwffc said: two teenagers (one 14 year old and one 15 year old) arrested with one being charged with attempted murder. https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/12383493/toutai-kefu-australian-world-cup-winner-recovering-well-after-violent-attack Courier-Mail reporting a 13 year old also arrested and appears to have been the driver. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 NZ v Australia in Perth and 2 home games v South Africa COVIDed https://www.allblacks.com/news/all-blacks-and-black-ferns-home-tests-cancelled-nzr-pauses-all-blacks-perth-travel/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 On 15/08/2021 at 09:16, Mark Connolly said: As you say, the big issue with it is that there are grey areas in red card offences. 2 yellows for killing the ball =/= getting your timing wrong on a challenge in the air =/= levelling a guy in the head with your shoulder at full tilt and so on. For me though, it comes down to the simple rule of "if you don't want sent off, don't take the risk of committing the offence", and grading of red card should be dealt with in the suspension process, rather than during the game. On 15/08/2021 at 10:05, honestly united said: I think it makes a bit of a mockery of the game, especially when you have a campaign to stop subs being made apart from injuries. Its just more bringing fresh legs on and doesnt really punish the team who take the red card, as they will just waste time until they get the man back These changes are basically an admission that they’ve messed up the red card rules. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Savage Henry said: These changes are basically an admission that they’ve messed up the red card rules. I think its sending out the wrong message though, on the one hand they are talking about player safety, reducing any contact to the head etc which has increased red cards, then on the other hand they are now saying we aren't penalising teams as they can bring a player back on after 20 minutes. On the one hand I agree that some of the red cards are extremly harsh (ie if Kolbe had been red carded for the Murray incident it would have been extremley harsh as it was accidental and he probably didnt see Murray jump for the ball, but letter of the law he could have gone) where as others are blatant reds, ie the French lad punching Ritchie, or O'Mahony's shoulder to the Welsh players head. For the first you can see its fair enough that after 20 mins they can come back on, but in the other I would be raging. Imagine if someone deliberatly took Russel out with a high tackle and Russel had to go off with a concussion, and 20 minutes later we are still without our best player, but the opposition are back to 15 men, you would be raging. If they had maybe added an orange card (or maybe something less staunch as that would probably upset the Irish) for incidents that are technically sending offs, then keep the red for proper foul play would be a better system. ie Yellow, 10 minutes sin bin, then back on Orange, 20 minutes sin bin, then a sub comes on in your place Red, off for rest of the game 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, honestly united said: On the one hand I agree that some of the red cards are extremly harsh (ie if Kolbe had been red carded for the Murray incident it would have been extremley harsh as it was accidental and he probably didnt see Murray jump for the ball, but letter of the law he could have gone) Nah, this is one where I get really fucked off. The Kolbe incident was dangerous because he didn't see Murray jump for the ball, and that's the main reason he should have seen red. He had no concept of what was around him, which endangered the other player, and he was extremely lucky it didn't end in a red, a serious injury to Murray (or indeed himself) or any combination of those. They are constantly talking about players having responsibility for the safety of opponents when making a tackle, but that doesn't seem to apply in the air. It's fucking nonsense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Nah, this is one where I get really fucked off. The Kolbe incident was dangerous because he didn't see Murray jump for the ball, and that's the main reason he should have seen red. He had no concept of what was around him, which endangered the other player, and he was extremely lucky it didn't end in a red, a serious injury to Murray (or indeed himself) or any combination of those. They are constantly talking about players having responsibility for the safety of opponents when making a tackle, but that doesn't seem to apply in the air. It's fucking nonsense. I wonder if its a different era thing, but I was always taught to keep your eye on the ball and dont worry about whats going on around you. When Murray jumps he has more chance of seeing Kolbe than the other way round, why is there no duty on care on the jumper - see also leading with the knee / foot - you shouldn't be able to just jump at people and expect them to move for you. You cant jump into a tackle for your own safety, just because the balls in the air why is it any different to recklessly jump at people - if they outlawed jumping it would reduce the needless red cards, and maybe even stop teams kicking every single ball they get Spoiler Murray being a cheating Irish player would definitly jump into someone to try and get them sent off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, honestly united said: I wonder if its a different era thing, but I was always taught to keep your eye on the ball and dont worry about whats going on around you. When Murray jumps he has more chance of seeing Kolbe than the other way round, why is there no duty on care on the jumper - see also leading with the knee / foot - you shouldn't be able to just jump at people and expect them to move for you. You cant jump into a tackle for your own safety, just because the balls in the air why is it any different to recklessly jump at people - if they outlawed jumping it would reduce the needless red cards, and maybe even stop teams kicking every single ball they get Reveal hidden contents Murray being a cheating Irish player would definitly jump into someone to try and get them sent off I don't disagree with your argument that players in the air should be in control (see Dan Biggar jumping through Finn Russell a few years back). The idea that you just look at the ball and nothing else is definitely long gone, and rightly so tbh. The same arguments you make for the player in the air would apply on the ground, you wouldn't be allowed to run through someone without the ball just because you are looking at it. The easiest way is to ping the guy who created the danger - if you hurtle through the air and land on a guy (or go through one!) who was minding his own business and already in the space you are travelling through, you get pinged. If you wipe out a guy who is in control of his jump while he is in the air, you get pinged. As with everything else, if refs enforce the laws properly, behaviour has to and will change. Despite World Rugby's claims that "Player safety is paramount", they are still playing at it in a number of the most dangerous areas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I've just realised that there are Super Six games live on free telly - in fact not just one but two: Friday evenings on the BBC Sport website and Sunday afternoon on Freesports. Hate the names of some of the teams but still good to see some coverage of Scottish rugby. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Could watch this on repeat for hours and hours 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 United Rugby Championship have announced free to air partners in the UK. BBC Cymru Wales, BBC Sport NI and S4C with no BBC Alba or BBC Scotland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 also fixtures are out no more Friday night rugby https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/news/urc-fixtures-202122 Edinburgh's Glasgow's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I think this fixture list is rotten for Glasgow. One of the things they had in their favour was that they mostly didn't clash with football. I can see this affecting attendances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 yet another stupid extra trophy name 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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