Jump to content
kiwififer

Rugby Union

Recommended Posts

Watched the highlights the BBC have put up of the 95 France game, just for the Tooney flip!

Was really suprised by the huge turn over of players from the 90 Grand slam team, only Kenny Milne, Damian Cronin, Craig Chalmers and Gavin Hastings still in the team, but you also have the likes of Weir, Wright, Townsend, Logan, Wainright, Redparth and Peters who are all mainstays on the team in the late 90's

 

I had forgotten how bad the cameras were back in the day. 90% of the time you have no idea where they are on the pitch.

 

I had also forgotten about Campbell.

 

Craig Joiner was dreadful.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 

I had forgotten how bad the cameras were back in the day. 90% of the time you have no idea where they are on the pitch.

 

I had also forgotten about Campbell.

 

Craig Joiner was dreadful.

I'd totally forgoten Iain Jardine ever existed!! I think Joiner sold a couple of tries in that one, as did Hastings with his dreadfull atempt at a tackle. 

Im suprised we actually won that game. Although Morrison, Wainright and Peters were all good players, they were no match for Jeffries, Calder etc and again not having Armstrong would be a blow to any team.

The camera work was shocking at time, the ball was not even close at some point to where the camera's were pointing. And the pictures were really flickery as well. It was as if they had recorded the match on VHS (having taped over some old films) and then ran the vhs into a PC to get a digital copy!!

 

Edit - saying that about Campbell, I remembered another nearly forgettable 2nd row, Stuart Grimes, who I only remember about as I had a drunken night out once in Birmingham with hos brother at the time when he was in the team! I had never met him before and found out he was trying to pull a girl I went to school with.

Edited by honestly united

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This Stuart Grimes?! I always thought he was decent.

 

2 hours ago, Savage Henry said:

Craig Joiner was dreadful.

I played directly against Joiner in 2nd year at school when he was still at Dunfermline. He was an incredible one man team with legs like tree trunks. He single-handedly won the game even though the team around him weren’t up to much. He was a stand out schoolboy player when he was older but didn’t do much in a Scotland shirt despite the hype.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
This Stuart Grimes?! I always thought he was decent.

 

I played directly against Joiner in 2nd year at school when he was still at Dunfermline. He was an incredible one man team with legs like tree trunks. He single-handedly won the game even though the team around him weren’t up to much. He was a stand out schoolboy player when he was older but didn’t do much in a Scotland shirt despite the hype.

 

That try features some underrated players. Grimey, as he liked to be called, Tait and Metcalfe were terrific.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 


That try features some underrated players. Grimey, as he liked to be called, and Metcalfe were terrific.

 

I think there is a case for Metcalfe being the best full back we ever had

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I think there is a case for Metcalfe being the best full back we ever had

 

I’d make a case for Hogg, but Metcalfe was the forerunner to the explosive fullback that every decent team has now. Hastings was much more of a power back with a metronomic kick, which had been the stock fullback up until then.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 

I’d make a case for Hogg, but Metcalfe was the forerunner to the explosive fullback that every decent team has now. Hastings was much more of a power back with a metronomic kick, which had been the stock fullback up until then.

 

Andy Irvine was in the explosive mould, check out some of his stuff on YouTube. I’m old enough to remember the tail end of his career. Probably some similarity with Hogg, absolutely sensational with the odd monumental f**k up thrown in.

Irvine and Hastings were Lions, the latter obviously being the captain in 93, which probably gives some idea of their relative standing to their peers.

I’d agree that Metcalfe was under-rated, his performance v France in 99 was something else.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Andy Irvine was in the explosive mould, check out some of his stuff on YouTube. I’m old enough to remember the tail end of his career. Probably some similarity with Hogg, absolutely sensational with the odd monumental f**k up thrown in.
Irvine and Hastings were Lions, the latter obviously being the captain in 93, which probably gives some idea of their relative standing to their peers.
I’d agree that Metcalfe was under-rated, his performance v France in 99 was something else.


That 99 side was something else. The talent in the backs was frightening.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 


That 99 side was something else. The talent in the backs was frightening.

If Duncan Hodge hadn't broken his leg  against Wales, we might not have seen it!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
That try features some underrated players. Grimey, as he liked to be called, Tait and Metcalfe were terrific.
Tait was superb when he switched back from league, his tackling was phenomenal. He was outstanding on the 97 Lions tour. That starting back line was decent....

Dawson
Townsend
Tait
Guscott
Gibbs
Evans (Bentley in the second test)
Jenkins

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, peasy23 said:

Tait was superb when he switched back from league, his tackling was phenomenal. He was outstanding on the 97 Lions tour. That starting back line was decent....

Dawson
Townsend
Tait
Guscott
Gibbs
Evans (Bentley in the second test)
Jenkins

My old man maintains that if Tait had stayed in Union, Scott Hastings would have been a footnote

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
My old man maintains that if Tait had stayed in Union, Scott Hastings would have been a footnote
I'd be inclined to agree, Tait was a better player, but part of that was down to playing league and coming back into union a much more physical player and having a much stronger defensive side to his game.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I'd be inclined to agree, Tait was a better player, but part of that was down to playing league and coming back into union a much more physical player and having a much stronger defensive side to his game.

 

Also playing outside John Leslie made him look even better. Leslie might be one of my favourite players ever. Never flustered, and an absolute gift for seeing a pass.

 

Edit: though that ignores him playing spectacularly well on the wing for the Lions.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, peasy23 said:
19 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:
My old man maintains that if Tait had stayed in Union, Scott Hastings would have been a footnote

I'd be inclined to agree, Tait was a better player, but part of that was down to playing league and coming back into union a much more physical player and having a much stronger defensive side to his game.

Not sure I agree. Hastings broke through in 86, Tait came after. Hastings in 86 was a very different player to what he became, he was strong, fast and elusive. He probably would have been a Lions starter in 89 (on the wing as Mullin was at 13 I think) but for a broken cheek. He subsequently bulked up and lost that side of his game, but was a phenomenal defender.

I remember being a bit underwhelmed by Tait in his first stint, (we had a really shite 1988 5N when he came through) but when he came back his game knowledge and attacking lines which he took from league made him one of our best ever 13s.  
 

I was lucky enough to witness it the 84, 86 and 90 Murrayfield games in person.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Not sure I agree. Hastings broke through in 86, Tait came after. Hastings in 86 was a very different player to what he became, he was strong, fast and elusive. He probably would have been a Lions starter in 89 (on the wing as Mullin was at 13 I think) but for a broken cheek. He subsequently bulked up and lost that side of his game, but was a phenomenal defender.
I remember being a bit underwhelmed by Tait in his first stint, (we had a really shite 1988 5N when he came through) but when he came back his game knowledge and attacking lines which he took from league made him one of our best ever 13s.  
 
I was lucky enough to witness it the 84, 86 and 90 Murrayfield games in person.
Yeah, Scott Hastings and Tait were BOTH top rugby players.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We had some truly world class players at the end of the amateur era, we just weren't prepared for / make a complete mess of turning professional. I think we are slowly catching up but i think we have some way to go.

In other news it looks like Frisby and Halanukonuka have played there last game for Glasgow. The big prop was decent, but not outstanding, Frisby though, having played for Australia and to come in from a top 14 club I was expecting so much more. Dropped during the WC for 17 year old kinda says it all.

 

Frisby and Halanukonuka to exit Glasgow

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Interesting thread as a scotsman exiled down here . Thanks for all the comments keep them coming enjoyed reading and keeping up on the scene up the road. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...