Self-raising Lazarus Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Get townsend so far tae f*** 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 This reminds me when the wee teams play the Old Firm.You need to take all your chances because you know the ref is going to give them decisions they don't deserve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 But gutted with that. Was definitely on midway through the half. Think the subs made a difference as well, the second NZ scrum half wasn't just better, Murphy was absolutely shit scared of him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I’m sick of the same old hard luck stories. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I’m sick of the same old hard luck stories. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Quite apart from the refereeing and missed chances on the 22 - not sure how much you can separate the two when two of three penalties awarded to New Zealand with us on the line were extremely harsh - they were able to run their way into the 22 far too easily when we kicked off at 23-17. That territory was far too easily given up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 We didn't get the chance to play any rugby in that second half. The turnover pen on Hogg's break was the big moment and it looked very dodgy. The scrum pens and the maul turnover were terrible decisions as well. On the other hand Hogg and Duhan knocking on and keeping the ball in the maul pointlessly twice to lose it were on us. This Poundland McCaw getting MoTM because Murphy let him away with murder sticks in the craw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Never should have sacked vern 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 The non knock on completely changed the game. One way traffic from that point onward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Dunning1874 said: Quite apart from the refereeing and missed chances on the 22 - not sure how much you can separate the two when two of three penalties awarded to New Zealand with us on the line were extremely harsh - they were able to run their way into the 22 far too easily when we kicked off at 23-17. That territory was far too easily given up. We keep on trying to hold them up for mauls and didn't manage it once but managed to give away a pen and about 60 yards after the carry. Idiotic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, super_carson said: As frustrating as some of the decisions are, blaming the ref is a complete cop out. Inability to execute in the 22 is why Scotland lost this game, and it's why they have lost quite a few others in recent years. There is a balance though - when the ref pings one team instantly on pick and go on the line, but doesn't allow competition at the other end, it's hard not to feel aggrieved. The standard of refereeing at international level is poor across the board, and doesn't even verge on consistent, even when it comes to the top teams. Wayne Barnes in last night's France-SA game was about the only one who has come close 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: The non knock on completely changed the game. One way traffic from that point onward. I think the bad decision was Matt Fagerson was on the ball just before that and Murphy wasn't interested. Whereas on their line he couldn't blow the whistle fast enough. The difference in knock on advantages tells the story of his bias. It's inexcusable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 A good example is that near the end he ignored a clear NZ pen at a breakdown slowing our ball then Schoeman dropped the pass forward and he ignored that as well because he knew he had shafted us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Failed to convert tries when we were a meter out. Only ourselves to blame for that. The one at the start of the second half was down to Murphy. There's no way that was legal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 There is a balance though - when the ref pings one team instantly on pick and go on the line, but doesn't allow competition at the other end, it's hard not to feel aggrieved. The standard of refereeing at international level is poor across the board, and doesn't even verge on consistent, even when it comes to the top teams. Wayne Barnes in last night's France-SA game was about the only one who has come closeThis.Murphy was desperately looking for Scottish offences when we were on their line - blatantly ignoring hands in the ruck preventing release. At the other end he's going through frame by frame slo-mos to give the yellow card.International Rugby refereeing has been a joke for a long time now. It's clear that there are a different set of rules for each team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 The yellow for Dempsey was an absolute joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: There is a balance though - when the ref pings one team instantly on pick and go on the line, but doesn't allow competition at the other end, it's hard not to feel aggrieved. The standard of refereeing at international level is poor across the board, and doesn't even verge on consistent, even when it comes to the top teams. Wayne Barnes in last night's France-SA game was about the only one who has come close And yet the SA coach is having a full blown day long meltdown on Twitter blaming him solely for the loss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, GAD said: And yet the SA coach is having a full blown day long meltdown on Twitter blaming him solely for the loss. They have the Celtic mindset where pressurising the ref after a loss is an investment in getting future dodgy decisions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: There is a balance though - when the ref pings one team instantly on pick and go on the line, but doesn't allow competition at the other end, it's hard not to feel aggrieved. The standard of refereeing at international level is poor across the board, and doesn't even verge on consistent, even when it comes to the top teams. Wayne Barnes in last night's France-SA game was about the only one who has come close While I agree the standard of referees isn't great (and trust me, I've experienced my fair share of shocking calls - and gotten away with quite a few myself at club level), you can't control the referee. Teams and players need to be as honest with themselves as much possible and look what they can do better so that they aren't reliant on a referee's decision. Across the game today I thought out contact work was poor, especially in attack with our ball presentation and accuracy in clearing out. Lots of examples of players either flopping on to their backs after the tackle, giving a clear target of the ball for the NZ jackal, and our clear out being too slow or not accurate enough in those rucks. NZ were far more composed in the 22, and look after the ball much better than we did. That all being said, we really do need to have a clear look at what constitutes a deliberate knock on as it seems to be that 9/10 times any sort of attempted interception or knock-on in a tackle is given as a penalty. Dempsey should feel pretty hard done by there as his arm is outstretched for the tackle before it's even been passed. If he doesn't have his arm out and makes the tackle, then there's the potential for it being seen as a no-arm tackle. Edited November 13, 2022 by super_carson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, super_carson said: As frustrating as some of the decisions are, blaming the ref is a complete cop out. Inability to execute in the 22 is why Scotland lost this game, and it's why they have lost quite a few others in recent years. What can Scotland do when Christie hits Ritchie with a no arms tackle and Murphy gives NZ a pen? What are they meant to do when an AB leans over two off his own men at the ruck near the line at the start of the second half who have already dived off their feet and and Murphy gives a penalty? The one before HT was poor from Scotland but the other two decisions screwed us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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