Guest TheJTS98 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, G51 said: Sharing anti-racist principles should be the minimum requirement for representing the national team. Character is just as important as ability. They shouldn’t need to be forced to, they should want to. If they don’t then there’s a problem. Kneeling is not a sign that you support anti-racist principles. Anyone can kneel down. It's a piece of cake. I'm a member of Amnesty International. I've volunteered for them. I've fund-raised and written letters and emails as part of Amnesty International campaigns. When I worked at a uni that had annual events in support of Amnesty International, I refused to get involved because I simply do not want social or political issues as part of my relationship with work. That's a perfectly reasonable position to take. You have no right to shame anyone into participating. It defeats the purpose. It's easy for anyone to see how normalising the public pressuring of athletes to display corporate support for social or political movements could end up going wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, G51 said: Sharing anti-racist principles should be the minimum requirement for representing the national team. Character is just as important as ability. They shouldn’t need to be forced to, they should want to. If they don’t then there’s a problem. Your big team didn't all do it either Neither did the officials. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, GAD said: Oafft, wrap yourself in your wee orange strip there mate and tell me Rangers have had nothing to do with promoting sectarianism in Scotland. Some look for you I have to say. Just to be clear, I think the players should have taken the knee. I think it's a terrible look that they didn't and I'm very disappointed. So you’re disappointed with them but you’re still trying to justify their actions? Seems contradictory to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said: Your big team didn't all do it either Neither did the officials. Anyone who knew the first thing about me would know I’m not a unionist. Id rather be a unionist than defending people for not taking part in a show of solidarity against racism, right enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Hopefully they take the knee next week and issue a statement saying that supporting Black Civil Rights in the USA is more important than sport between Scotland vs Wales but nothing is more important than fucking over the English 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: Kneeling is not a sign that you support anti-racist principles. Anyone can kneel down. It's a piece of cake. I'm a member of Amnesty International. I've volunteered for them. I've fund-raised and written letters and emails as part of Amnesty International campaigns. When I worked at a uni that had annual events in support of Amnesty International, I refused to get involved because I simply do not want social or political issues as part of my relationship with work. That's a perfectly reasonable position to take. You have no right to shame anyone into participating. It defeats the purpose. It's easy for anyone to see how normalising the public pressuring of athletes to display corporate support for social or political movements could end up going wrong. It’s great that you worked for Amnesty International. But unfortunately, work is political and social, by its necessity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, G51 said: It’s great that you worked for Amnesty International. But unfortunately, work is political and social, by its necessity. Sounds clever, but is actually meaningless. People have the right to go to work, do their job, and go home. I'm not sure you'd apply this principle to many other areas of life. What else are you in favour of forcing people to do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 I think it's a far more powerful message that only some players did it because you know they did it because they wanted to. When I see the football where EVERY player, EVERY official, EVERY sub, the managers, the coaches, the physios and ALL the hangers on take the knee, you begin to think they've been told to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: Sounds clever, but is actually meaningless. People have the right to go to work, do their job, and go home. I'm not sure you'd apply this principle to many other areas of life. What else are you in favour of forcing people to do? To try and argue that work isn’t political is something. Do you know who the Labour Party are and who funds them (at least until Keith Starmer came along anyway). I have zero time for corporate support for anti-racism principles. Sports teams are different because they represent people. That’s important and yesterday we were embarrassed by the Scottish rugby team, regardless of the result on the pitch. Lets hope they clear this up very quickly because if they don’t, it will reinforce a lot of stereotypes people have about Scottish rugby. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, G51 said: To try and argue that work isn’t political is something. Do you know who the Labour Party are and who funds them (at least until Keith Starmer came along anyway). I have zero time for corporate support for anti-racism principles. Sports teams are different because they represent people. That’s important and yesterday we were embarrassed by the Scottish rugby team, regardless of the result on the pitch. Lets hope they clear this up very quickly because if they don’t, it will reinforce a lot of stereotypes people have about Scottish rugby. Were we? Speak for yourself. When you are assuming your own views as those of all of us, and when you're advocating peer-pressuring people into public displays of support for certain political or social groups, you're on quite shaky ground. I'll not be voting for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Love when you skip 7 pages of a thread which goes from outright celebration to whatever the f**k is happening now [emoji23] 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 hours ago, TheJTS98 said: It's a special mindset to confess to ignorance of how a sport is dealing with an issue, then seize the moral high-ground from a group of guys who have obviously had internal discussions over weeks and months with teammates, managers etc. Doesn't matter how they arrived there, you can just decide they are 'comfortable with structural racism'. Get a grip of yourself. They had internal discussions about it over weeks and months and ended up with a handful of them doing it and the others not? Does that not make it an even worse look for the ones that didn't 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: They had internal discussions about it over weeks and months and ended up with a handful of them doing it and the others not? Does that not make it an even worse look for the ones that didn't No. It looks like they're a bunch of adults who can tolerate different approaches to something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, G51 said: To try and argue that work isn’t political is something. Do you know who the Labour Party are and who funds them (at least until Keith Starmer came along anyway). I have zero time for corporate support for anti-racism principles. Sports teams are different because they represent people. That’s important and yesterday we were embarrassed by the Scottish rugby team, regardless of the result on the pitch. Lets hope they clear this up very quickly because if they don’t, it will reinforce a lot of stereotypes people have about Scottish rugby. And you'd be the first to condemn that I'm sure given your stance in people doing the same about Rangers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 What are these stereotypes people have about Scottish rugby? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 The fact that so many people - see Paul Mitchell of BBC Sport fame - are so enraged by people taking a knee only goes to show how necessary a gesture it still is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Who do we want to win this afternoon then? I think I’d rather Wales win and we can put them in their place next week. Just to decrease Ireland’s chances of winning the tournament. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggyness Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 On Finn Russell, if I use a football analogy. He's a bit like a Bruno Fernandes, yes he'll make mistakes and turn possession over, but over the piece he'll create more than he costs. And when he gets it right it'll lead to a scoring chance 9/10. I'm a massive fan of his but realise he isn't without flaw. His place kicking in particular needs to improve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy Snake Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Simon Berghan signs for Glasgow. Surprising but nice to see a decent player going in the opposite direction for a change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Gianfranco said: Who do we want to win this afternoon then? I think I’d rather Wales win and we can put them in their place next week. Just to decrease Ireland’s chances of winning the tournament. I agree, I think Ireland are a bigger threat than Wales and it would be better so see them lose early. I can't see it happening though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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