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Rumours are that Smith and Leishman will be joining Adam Scott at LIV as an Australian team after the Presidents Cup and Fed Ex playoffs, one last decent payday from the PGA. They're also desperate for Matsuyama to join because him and a couple of the up and coming young Japanese would ensure that virtually everyone in Japan would be watching LIV instead of the PGA.

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16 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said:

Rumours are that Smith and Leishman will be joining Adam Scott at LIV as an Australian team after the Presidents Cup and Fed Ex playoffs, one last decent payday from the PGA. They're also desperate for Matsuyama to join because him and a couple of the up and coming young Japanese would ensure that virtually everyone in Japan would be watching LIV instead of the PGA.

The chat on SSN this morning is that Matsuyama has been offered 350-400m to join. The “experts” seem to think there will be a mass exodus after the FedEx and that the PGA Tour may be forced into trying to work out some sort of deal to co exist with LIV.

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Smith has the benefit of having a 5 year exemption for all the majors, I'm not sure any of them will change their entry criteria, bit will just rely on the LIV guys sliding down the OWGR and not qualifying.

LIV are also getting close to the point where they either need to increase from 48 to 54 players, or they start to shed some bodies. Harding said at the Scottish last week that he hadn't signed a contract with LIV.

There has to be a real fear though that with the majors done for the year then a fresh spate of defections could follow.
Agree, some of the early names were low brow just to increase numbers. Will be good to see the postman punted and watch him come crawling back.
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18 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

The chat on SSN this morning is that Matsuyama has been offered 350-400m to join. The “experts” seem to think there will be a mass exodus after the FedEx and that the PGA Tour may be forced into trying to work out some sort of deal to co exist with LIV.

I think it's all going to come down to the OWGR points. If LIV can't get those, then it'll just remain a sideshow, even more so if the big 5 of Rahm, Rory, Scheffler, JT and Spieth continue on the PGA. 

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44 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said:

The Stenson stuff is bad.

No one is or isn't watching LIV because Henrik Stenson is playing. It's being done out of pure spite to try and wreck and disrupt the Ryder Cup.

Aye, pretty pathetic stuff from both LIV and Stenson. He's already a multi-millionaire - imagine being known as the guy who's career effectively ended with a stripping of the Ryder Cup captaincy for basically being a greedy c**t. 

Norman comes across as a pound-shop Donald Trump these days. Absolute c**t of a man. 

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Away from the LIV circus and back to "why golf is amazing", I'm playing my first competitive golf in 20 years next weekend, in a 2 day Stableford event at Goswick. Currently, the excitement and anticipation is currently edging out the absolute fear of shanking the opening tee shot, but I fully expect that to have reversed by the time I get there!

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2 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

The chat on SSN this morning is that Matsuyama has been offered 350-400m to join. The “experts” seem to think there will be a mass exodus after the FedEx and that the PGA Tour may be forced into trying to work out some sort of deal to co exist with LIV.

Hopefully that's in yen....

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I think it's all going to come down to the OWGR points. If LIV can't get those, then it'll just remain a sideshow, even more so if the big 5 of Rahm, Rory, Scheffler, JT and Spieth continue on the PGA. 
LIV at present hardly meets any of the OWGR criteria, size of field and number of events being the main 2. They are supposed to fulfil all the criteria for 12 months before they would be accepted on to the OWGR. They are planning an increase to the minimum 14 events next year, but if the owgr rules are applied to the letter then it would be 2024 before they would get ranking points even if they change the other stuff.
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1 hour ago, peasy23 said:
4 hours ago, Ervin H Burrell said:
I think it's all going to come down to the OWGR points. If LIV can't get those, then it'll just remain a sideshow, even more so if the big 5 of Rahm, Rory, Scheffler, JT and Spieth continue on the PGA. 

LIV at present hardly meets any of the OWGR criteria, size of field and number of events being the main 2. They are supposed to fulfil all the criteria for 12 months before they would be accepted on to the OWGR. They are planning an increase to the minimum 14 events next year, but if the owgr rules are applied to the letter then it would be 2024 before they would get ranking points even if they change the other stuff.

Yeah, it's going to be tough for them unless money talks and the OWGR board makes exceptions for them. Unlikely as Slumbers, Monahan and Pelley all sit on it. Even if they are allocated points next year, the strength of field will be low as the original player's rankings will have cratered by having only a couple of appearances in ranking tournaments in like 9 odd months. Plus there'll be automatic deductions for only 54 holes and the invitational aspect of it. They'd need a load of top 30 guys to join at that time to try and keep the strength of field above say an average DP World Tour event.

My gut feeling is that the Masters will carry on as per and use their current criteria, The US and The Open likewise, with qualifying open to all. Unsure about the USPGA. The OWGR will stick to the rules and they'll get the ranking points after they meet the criteria for 12 months. This will f**k the Westwoods and Poulters but the DJs and Brysons will be fine.

That's if it doesn't get settled in the courts...

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Yeah, it's going to be tough for them unless money talks and the OWGR board makes exceptions for them. Unlikely as Slumbers, Monahan and Pelley all sit on it. Even if they are allocated points next year, the strength of field will be low as the original player's rankings will have cratered by having only a couple of appearances in ranking tournaments in like 9 odd months. Plus there'll be automatic deductions for only 54 holes and the invitational aspect of it. They'd need a load of top 30 guys to join at that time to try and keep the strength of field above say an average DP World Tour event.
My gut feeling is that the Masters will carry on as per and use their current criteria, The US and The Open likewise, with qualifying open to all. Unsure about the USPGA. The OWGR will stick to the rules and they'll get the ranking points after they meet the criteria for 12 months. This will f**k the Westwoods and Poulters but the DJs and Brysons will be fine.
That's if it doesn't get settled in the courts...


The two Opens can't really claim to be "open" if they bump guys just for playing at LIV. It's only a handful of guys who have long term exemptions for some of the majors. It would be incredibly petty imo if they stopped those exemptions, it's not as if the majority will get anywhere near troubling the engraver.

Poulter and Westwood put a temporary halt to their slide down the rankings by picking up points at the Open. Others like Garcia, Grace, Oosthuizen all continue to slide.
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In other news, I had cause to be in Auchterarder today and I see the Senior Open is on this weekend. 
If the weather holds it strikes me it could hold the potential of a decent day out.

Anybody been before? A decent standard of competition or just a pitch and putt jolly for the auld yins? 

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20 minutes ago, peasy23 said:


 

 


The two Opens can't really claim to be "open" if they bump guys just for playing at LIV. It's only a handful of guys who have long term exemptions for some of the majors. It would be incredibly petty imo if they stopped those exemptions, it's not as if the majority will get anywhere near troubling the engraver.

Poulter and Westwood put a temporary halt to their slide down the rankings by picking up points at the Open. Others like Garcia, Grace, Oosthuizen all continue to slide.

 

It'll be interesting to see who jumps now major season is over and then after the FedEx playoffs. Loads of rumours flying about, but much of that is deliberate to keep it in the news and to sow discontent.

 

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It'll be interesting to see who jumps now major season is over and then after the FedEx playoffs. Loads of rumours flying about, but much of that is deliberate to keep it in the news and to sow discontent.
 
On the one hand don't really want to see any of the top names going. On the other it would be fucking hilarious if Poulter, Westwood etc ended up with nowhere to play.
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12 minutes ago, peasy23 said:
15 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said:
It'll be interesting to see who jumps now major season is over and then after the FedEx playoffs. Loads of rumours flying about, but much of that is deliberate to keep it in the news and to sow discontent.
 

On the one hand don't really want to see any of the top names going. On the other it would be fucking hilarious if Poulter, Westwood etc ended up with nowhere to play.

First one away. A bit old, but should compete well enough.

He joins The Gammons alongside Westwood and Poulter.

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5 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said:

First one away. A bit old, but should compete well enough.

He joins The Gammons alongside Westwood and Poulter.

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He does the golf for 9/11 charity that will be fun 

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