peasy23 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 You just can't see the Windies surviving 30 odd more overs with just 4 wickets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Make that 3 wickets left 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 One thing you have to praise England for today is how tight they have been with the bowling, 57 overs with only 1 extra and that was a leg bye. I can't recall so many balls being bowled without a no ball or a wide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Bess gets one to turn that Holder misses and gets him out, 8 down and only the tail now between England and a win with 23 overs minimum left, and 17 until the new ball is due. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Joseph caught at short leg but he immediately reviewed it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 ..and he was right, nowhere near hitting it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Tbf to Bess, that was a terrific ball that got Holder after he had gone for 4 and 6 in the previous 2 deliveries, wee bit extra zip done Holder.9 down, Bess catching Joseph off Stokes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Stokes pulls up mid over and looks really sore, staying on the field but Root is bowling out the over for him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Really good test match.The Curran wicket was huge, and if he can improve his batting he could be the next ben stokes (who is unbelievable right now).Bess and curran to sit out the next test, with leitch and either Anderson / archer coming in.Surely broad and woakes can't be dropped though, which makes it a very difficult decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggyness Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Really good test match.The Curran wicket was huge, and if he can improve his batting he could be the next ben stokes (who is unbelievable right now).Bess and curran to sit out the next test, with leitch and either Anderson / archer coming in.Surely broad and woakes can't be dropped though, which makes it a very difficult decision.Jimmy said on the coverage the other day that he didn't expect any of the seamers to play anymore than 4 of the 6 tests this summer and I think woakes is probably 5th choice seamer at best, for the test side anyway. If they are serious about wanting to prepare for the ashes down under then they should be bringing wood or archer back with Jimmy at the expense of Curran and woakes, harsh as that is on the pair of them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, jaggyness said: 33 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Really good test match. The Curran wicket was huge, and if he can improve his batting he could be the next ben stokes (who is unbelievable right now). Bess and curran to sit out the next test, with leitch and either Anderson / archer coming in. Surely broad and woakes can't be dropped though, which makes it a very difficult decision. Jimmy said on the coverage the other day that he didn't expect any of the seamers to play anymore than 4 of the 6 tests this summer and I think woakes is probably 5th choice seamer at best, for the test side anyway. If they are serious about wanting to prepare for the ashes down under then they should be bringing wood or archer back with Jimmy at the expense of Curran and woakes, harsh as that is on the pair of them I think they’ll switch the spinner, and that will probably mean Woakes retaining his place ahead of Archer if they don’t want to have three number eleven batsmen again. You could argue bowlers are selected on the strength of their bowling, but if you have a tail like the West Indies, you are never going to see a game like this out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Have to admit Stokes is the real deal. I thought late last year a few good matches was somewhat flattering him, he was good but the English press were going overboard, but he is averaging 76 for the year with the bat and now the 3 in the world in test batting rankings. Its not just a few good matches its a major gear shift in his career. That aside England, have found a stable opening pair that can occupy the crease and live with not scoring for a bit. Tough it out in England with the swinging Duke ball but more so in the rest of the world with Kookaburras and SG it means that seeing off the opening overs will give the big hitting middle order a chance to shine. The problems for England though as as always they do not have enough pace or spin to prosper outside of home conditions at the moment. They had a weak RSA on the racks but the target has to be coming back from India and Australia with at least draws. They are in better shape than in recent years. But some of the same old flaws are not going away. (Other than the odd Archer spell.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 In English conditions, they shouldn't be losing to anyone, considering their bowling options.But you're right about finding better options for spin and pace. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggyness Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Wood, archer and Jimmy all return to the squad for the final test 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, jaggyness said: Wood, archer and Jimmy all return to the squad for the final test No Leach in the squad, thankfully (I know he's a left arm spinner, and WI are mainly RHBs, but he's pish). Interesting that they've got an extra seamer in there, wonder if they are looking at dropping Bess and going with 4 seamers (+ Stokes) and Root bowling any required spin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Stokes is a doubt as a bowler. This means they may need one of Curran or Woaks as a bowling all rounder. Bess may not get picked, though Old Trafford without a specialist spinner is a bit of a surprise. Root can bowl the occasional spell. Should be at least a day lost to rain. Broad or Anderson may not get picked. It will likely be controversial who ever is selected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Drop Buttler, give Pope the gloves and play 5 bowlers if Stokes can't bowl. Obviously won't happen though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, dorlomin said: Stokes is a doubt as a bowler. This means they may need one of Curran or Woaks as a bowling all rounder. Bess may not get picked, though Old Trafford without a specialist spinner is a bit of a surprise. Root can bowl the occasional spell. Should be at least a day lost to rain. Broad or Anderson may not get picked. It will likely be controversial who ever is selected. Curran is the most like Stokes in terms of his bat, but Woakes is in terms of the ball. I’d imagine it’ll be Archer and Wood that miss out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Stokes is a doubt as a bowler. This means they may need one of Curran or Woaks as a bowling all rounder. Bess may not get picked, though Old Trafford without a specialist spinner is a bit of a surprise. Root can bowl the occasional spell. Should be at least a day lost to rain. Broad or Anderson may not get picked. It will likely be controversial who ever is selected. There's no way out won't be controversial, as a good case can be made for almost all of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On the rationale that they were going to only play the bowlers in 2 of the 3 matches max, would they not be as well to give Stokes a rest? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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