Madeleine Mccann Missing Girl

[eddiemunster]

The car was hired 25 days after Madeleine went missing.

I thought there were traces in the apartment at the sofas too. I may be wrong though

[cracowjambo]

The car was hired 25 days after Madeleine went missing.

So if the car was hired 25 days after maddie was "abducted" how could her DNA get there?

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

So if the car was hired 25 days after maddie was "abducted" how could her DNA get there?

From the lampshade.

[Ned Nederlander]

So if the car was hired 25 days after maddie was "abducted" how could her DNA get there?

IIRC the Portuguese press or police misinterpreted the information provided by the DNA results - the test were carried out in the UK but were not confirmed as Madeleine's DNA and could have been the DNA of one or both parents and or the siblings !?

I believe the dogs (British and requested by the McCanns) had something like a 25-28 day limit in regards to the accuracy of their findings !

(had more than a few drinks so not sure of accuracy of post !)

[sonofjenova]

(had more than a few drinks so not sure of accuracy of post !)

You making sure to check on your kids, though?

[Co.Down Hibee]

The doping theory highlighted by WTM is definitely one you can believe. I've had the kids on holidays plenty of times over the years and can honestly say that at no point were they ever in bed at 7.30 at night, family holidays are just that, adults sitting having a drink and chatting whilst the kids run around playing , if you want the adult only experience then don't take the kids with you.

[cracowjambo]

The doping theory highlighted by WTM is definitely one you can believe. I've had the kids on holidays plenty of times over the years and can honestly say that at no point were they ever in bed at 7.30 at night, family holidays are just that, adults sitting having a drink and chatting whilst the kids run around playing , if you want the adult only experience then don't take the kids with you.

That's shocking parenting.

I prefer to chain my kids up when I'm having a drink.

[Boghead ranter]

That's shocking parenting.

I prefer to chain my kids up when I'm having a drink.

who wants to pay good money for chains? Just lock them in a flat down the road and round the corner from whichever pub you're in, they'll be perfectly fine.

[cracowjambo]

who wants to pay good money for chains? Just lock them in a flat down the road and round the corner from whichever pub you're in, they'll be perfectly fine.

When I wrote my last post thinking about chaining a kid to a cooker I pissed myself laughing because I thought McCann oven chips

[Seymour Skinner]

who wants to pay good money for chains? Just lock them in a flat down the road and round the corner from whichever pub you're in, they'll be perfectly fine.

Or better yet, leave the flat unlocked.

[T_S_A_R]

The Sunday times are sticking the boot in the mccanns today.

They are reporting that the mccanns suppressed a report by ex mi5 investigators that they hired which included the new efits. The report apparently questioned the credibility of the tapas 9 timeline.

[AberdeenBud]

The Sunday times are sticking the boot in the mccanns today.

They are reporting that the mccanns suppressed a report by ex mi5 investigators that they hired which included the new efits. The report apparently questioned the credibility of the tapas 9 timeline.

Finally some of the media showing some balls.

[Bearwithme]

The Sunday Times article:

'Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years

The new prime suspect was first singled out by detectives in 2008. Their findings were suppressed. Insight reports

The Sunday Times Insight team Published: 27 October 2013

THE critical new evidence at the centre of Scotland Yard’s search for Madeleine McCann was kept secret for five years after it was presented to her parents by ex-MI5 investigators.

The evidence was in fact taken from an intelligence report produced for Gerry and Kate McCann by a firm of former spies in 2008.

It contained crucial E-Fits of a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, which have only this month become public after he was identified as the prime suspect by Scotland Yard.

A team of hand-picked former MI5 agents had been hired by the McCanns to chase a much-needed breakthrough in the search for their missing daughter Madeleine.

10 months after the three-year-old had disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, and the McCanns were beginning to despair over the handling of the local police investigation. They were relying on the new team to bring fresh hope.

But within months the relationship had soured. A report produced by the investigators was deemed “hypercritical” of the McCanns and their friends, and the authors were threatened with legal action if it was made public. Its contents remained secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the authors and asked for a copy.

They found that it contained new evidence about a key suspect seen carrying a child away from the McCanns’ holiday apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared.

This sighting is now considered the main lead in the investigation and E-Fits of the suspect, taken from the report, were the centrepiece of a Crimewatch appeal that attracted more than 2,400 calls from the public this month.

One of the investigators whose work was sidelined said last week he was “utterly stunned” when he watched the programme and saw the evidence his team had passed to the McCanns five years ago presented as a breakthrough.

The team of investigators from the security firm Oakley International were hired by the McCanns’ Find Madeleine fund, which bankrolled private investigations into the girl’s disappearance. They were led by Henri Exton, MI5’s former undercover operations chief.

Their report, seen by The Sunday Times, focused on a sighting by an Irish family of a man carrying a child at about 10pm on May 3, 2007, when Madeleine went missing.

An earlier sighting by one of the McCanns’ friends was dismissed as less credible after “serious inconsistencies” were found in her evidence. The report also raised questions about “anomalies” in the statements given by the McCanns and their friends.

Exton confirmed last week that the fund had silenced his investigators for years after they handed over their controversial findings. He said: “A letter came from their lawyers binding us to the confidentiality of the report.”

He claimed the legal threat had prevented him from handing over the report to Scotland Yard’s fresh investigation, until detectives had obtained written permission from the fund.

A source close to the fund said the report was considered “hypercritical of the people involved” and “would have been completely distracting” if it became public.

Oakley’s six-month investigation included placing undercover agents inside the Ocean Club where the family stayed, lie detector tests, covert surveillance and a forensic re-examination of all existing evidence.

It was immediately clear that two sightings of vital importance had been reported to the police. Two men were seen carrying children near the apartments between 9pm, when Madeleine was last seen by Gerry, and 10pm, when Kate discovered her missing.

The first man was seen at 9.15pm by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, who had been dining with them at the tapas bar in the resort. She saw a man carrying a girl just yards from the apartment as she went to check on her children.

The second sighting was by Martin Smith and his family from Ireland, who saw a man carrying a child near the apartment just before 10pm.

The earlier Tanner sighting had always been treated as the most significant, but the Oakley team controversially poured cold water on her account.

Instead, they focused on the Smith sighting, travelling to Ireland to interview the family and produce E-Fits of the man they saw. Their report said the Smiths were “helpful and sincere” and concluded: “The Smith sighting is credible evidence of a sighting of Maddie and more credible than Jane Tanner’s sighting”. The evidence had been “neglected for too long” and an “overemphasis placed on Tanner”.

The new focus shifted the believed timeline of the abduction back by 45 minutes.

The report, delivered to the McCanns in November 2008, recommended that the revised timeline should be the basis for future investigations and that the Smith E-Fits should be released without delay.

The potential abductor seen by the Smiths is now the prime suspect in Scotland Yard’s investigation, after detectives established that the man seen earlier by Tanner was almost certainly a father carrying his child home from a nearby night creche. The Smith E-Fits were the centrepiece of the Crimewatch appeal.

One of the Oakley investigators said last week: “I was absolutely stunned when I watched the programme . . . It most certainly wasn’t a new timeline and it certainly isn’t a new revelation. It is absolute nonsense to suggest either of those things . . . And those E-Fits you saw on Crimewatch are ours,” he said.

The detailed images of the face of the man seen by the Smith family were never released by the McCanns. But an artist’s impression of the man seen earlier by Tanner was widely promoted, even though the face had to be left blank because she had only seen him fleetingly and from a distance.

Various others images of lone men spotted hanging around the resort at other times were also released.

Nor were the Smith E-Fits included in Kate McCann’s 2011 book, Madeleine, which contained a whole section on eight “key sightings” and identified those of the Smiths and Tanner as most “crucial”. Descriptions of all seven other sightings were accompanied by an E-Fit or artist’s impression. The Smiths’ were the only exception. So why was such a “crucial” piece of evidence kept under lock and key?

The relationship between the fund and Oakley was already souring by the time the report was submitted — and its findings could only have made matters worse.

As well as questioning parts of the McCanns’ evidence, it contained sensitive information about Madeleine’s sleeping patterns and raised the highly sensitive possibility that she could have died in an accident after leaving the apartment herself from one of two unsecured doors.

There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.

The McCanns were also understandably wary of Oakley after allegations that the chairman, Kevin Halligen, failed to pass on money paid by the fund to Exton’s team. Halligen denies this. He was later convicted of fraud in an unrelated case in the US.

The McCann fund source said the Oakley report was passed on to new private investigators after the contract ended, but that the firm’s work was considered “contaminated” by the financial dispute.

He said the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised. It was also considered necessary to threaten legal action against the authors.

“[The report] was hypercritical of the people involved . . . It just wouldn’t be conducive to the investigation to have that report publicly declared because . . . the newspapers would have been all over it. And it would have been completely distracting,” said the source.

A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that “all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary” and had been passed to Scotland Yard.

It continued: “Throughout the investigation, the Find Madeleine fund’s sole priority has been, and remains, to find Madeleine and bring her home as swiftly as possible.”'

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1332689.ece

[st jude]

The fact that the Mccanns hired former MI5 investigators suggests even more they couldn't be involved. There is just no way on this planet you would do this if you were guilty of something.

[paranoid android]

The Sunday times are sticking the boot in the mccanns today.

That'll be part of the Faustian pact, eh?

[T_S_A_R]

The fact that the Mccanns hired former MI5 investigators suggests even more they couldn't be involved. There is just no way on this planet you would do this if you were guilty of something.

That depends on whether or not you can suppress the report if it doesn't suit you.

[paranoid android]

That depends on whether or not you can suppress the report if it doesn't suit you.

Bad patter if they're suppressing anything that might bring out the truth.

[T_S_A_R]

Bad patter if they're suppressing anything that might bring out the truth.

It's all very strange.

The investigators didn't believe Jane tanner's sighting but the police claim the guy came forward. Either tanner has admitted lieing and the police are covering for her to avoid a scandal or they are calling her bluff.

The efit that is now being promoted as the prime suspect was supressed by the mccann's because it is clearly based on Gerry mccann after the Irish guy saw him on TV. Kate mccann didn't include it in her book so they can't be too happy all the focus is now on that picture.

[paranoid android]

It's all very strange.

The investigators didn't believe Jane tanner's sighting but the police claim the guy came forward. Either tanner has admitted lieing and the police are covering for her to avoid a scandal or they are calling her bluff.

The efit that is now being promoted as the prime suspect was supressed by the mccann's because it is clearly based on Gerry mccann after the Irish guy saw him on TV. Kate mccann didn't include it in her book so they can't be too happy all the focus is now on that picture.

Yup - aside from their alleged negligence on the night, a lot of the McCanns' subsequent behaviour just kind of makes them look bad.

I just don't think they should be attempting to suppress anything - especially anything that might help to uncover the truth.

[Gaz FFC]

Seen as a good few of you are telling me how you are parents of the decade I will share a wee story from My holiday to Majorca in June.

Sitting in a bar at midnight with a couple we had met from Dundee, we watched in amazement a bunch of chavvy mums doing a fantastic bit of parenting.

They were a bunch of young mums who weren't gonnae let the fact they had young kids stop them having a party night, not when you can just bring young, tired kids with you.

As they got tanked up on booze, the kids. Were left to their own devices in the pub.

A baby around 1 was crawling round a pool table as we tried to make sure he never got too near the edge, as the older 1 sat moaning to his mum that he was tired and wanted to go to bed. He was around 4.

It truly was a spectacular sight seeing a group of 4 slags bring their kids to the party.