Petty Things That Get On Your Nerves...

[RH33]

6 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

Heard some arsehole from Aberdeen on the radio earlier. Not sure if it was councillor or MP or some local business tit.

He was talking about the state of shopping in the city and crying about sales being down and said that the Scottish government need to end working from home and get everyone back to the office.

Just get fucked you little c**t. Working from home is here to stay, despite p***ks like him greeting about it. Forcing folk back to offices, something the government can't do anyone, won't end well and the potential small uplift in sales won't be worth the massive increase in mental health problems that it would bring.

 

All the scumbags greeting about folk working from home need to get over it and accept it. 

I was thinking about wfh the other day, I wonder how many people have been able to re-enter the workforce because of the growth in it.

A combination of my kids ages and mental health means I a) couldn't afford work ft and b) couldn't cope ft in office. But I'm now 9 months into wfh roles and really enjoying it. 

[vikingTON]

8 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

 won't be worth the massive increase in mental health problems that it would bring.

There are enough valid reasons to bin full-time office posts without having to resort to this nonsense. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

10 minutes ago, virginton said:

There are enough valid reasons to bin full-time office posts without having to resort to this nonsense. 

You might be right as a rule, but don't underestimate the impact of me going about with a face that would turn milk has on others.

[DA Baracus]

23 minutes ago, virginton said:

There are enough valid reasons to bin full-time office posts without having to resort to this nonsense. 

Just because you may not have experienced it doesn't mean it isn't an issue for many. I've seen plenty of discussion where folk have indicated that being forced back full time in to an office would be detrimental to their mental health.

[vikingTON]

1 minute ago, DA Baracus said:

Just because you may not have experienced it doesn't mean it isn't an issue for many. I've seen plenty of discussion where folk have indicated that being forced back full time in to an office would be detrimental to their mental health.

And I've seen plenty of discussion where folk cite mental health in any debate like it's some unimpeachable trump card. 

Given that, err, working from home was also being cited as a mental health emergency just two years ago, I think we can file both mutually exclusive claims in the bin. 

[DA Baracus]

Just now, virginton said:

And I've seen plenty of discussion where folk cite mental health in any debate like it's some unimpeachable trump card. 

Given that, err, working from home was also being cited as a mental health emergency just two years ago, I think we can file both mutually exclusive claims in the bin. 

No, we can't and won't.

[scw1987]

15 minutes ago, virginton said:

Given that, err, working from home was also being cited as a mental health emergency just two years ago, I think we can file both mutually exclusive claims in the bin. 

Some people get stressed because they WFH and don't want to, some because they aren't WFH and they do want to - is that so hard to understand? So long as your employer is happy for you to do whichever suits you (and them) what's the issue?

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, scw1987 said:

Some people get stressed because they WFH and don't want to, some because they aren't WFH and they do want to - is that so hard to understand? So long as your employer is happy for you to do whichever suits you (and them) what's the issue?

Convenience is not a legitimate mental health prevention measure that any organisation should be  obliged to recognise. 

[ICTChris]

The decrease in people working in offices is probably permanent and whoever was on talking about it from retail is right, it will have a significant impact on a lot of businesses.  When I worked in the middle of Edinburgh almost all the business around where I worked relied on office staff and several of them have closed down - a couple of cafes and little restaurants near where I worked are now empty, a few pubs have also shut their doors in the last few years.  It's going to make a lot of town and city centres even shitter than they are now, these places made working in the city great, you could go out for a drink after work or go and have a meeting in a coffee shop or get lunch with your team in a good little restaurant.

My own work have mandated that we are in the office at least two days a week, managers have to be in more.  That seems fair to me, they are pretty flexible about what you do and how you manage it.  I am lucky in my employer though.

 

[sophia]

12 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

Heard some arsehole from Aberdeen on the radio earlier. Not sure if it was councillor or MP or some local business tit.

He was talking about the state of shopping in the city and crying about sales being down and said that the Scottish government need to end working from home and get everyone back to the office.

Just get fucked you little c**t. Working from home is here to stay, despite p***ks like him greeting about it. Forcing folk back to offices, something the government can't do anyone, won't end well and the potential small uplift in sales won't be worth the massive increase in mental health problems that it would bring.

 

All the scumbags greeting about folk working from home need to get over it and accept it. 

Allan "Hendo" Henderson.

Seems to be one of these mouth on a stick go to guys for BBC Radio Scotland

 

 

[Tight minge]

24 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

The decrease in people working in offices is probably permanent and whoever was on talking about it from retail is right, it will have a significant impact on a lot of businesses.  When I worked in the middle of Edinburgh almost all the business around where I worked relied on office staff and several of them have closed down - a couple of cafes and little restaurants near where I worked are now empty, a few pubs have also shut their doors in the last few years.  It's going to make a lot of town and city centres even shitter than they are now, these places made working in the city great, you could go out for a drink after work or go and have a meeting in a coffee shop or get lunch with your team in a good little restaurant.

My own work have mandated that we are in the office at least two days a week, managers have to be in more.  That seems fair to me, they are pretty flexible about what you do and how you manage it.  I am lucky in my employer though.

 

Mixed use developments have been common place over the years in Asia particularly where space is an issue (which makes it easier to plan and develop). I guess we will likely see more and more mixed use developments over the years to facility the need of a more focused home/work balance.

[Hillonearth]

44 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

The decrease in people working in offices is probably permanent and whoever was on talking about it from retail is right, it will have a significant impact on a lot of businesses.  When I worked in the middle of Edinburgh almost all the business around where I worked relied on office staff and several of them have closed down - a couple of cafes and little restaurants near where I worked are now empty, a few pubs have also shut their doors in the last few years.  It's going to make a lot of town and city centres even shitter than they are now, these places made working in the city great, you could go out for a drink after work or go and have a meeting in a coffee shop or get lunch with your team in a good little restaurant.

My own work have mandated that we are in the office at least two days a week, managers have to be in more.  That seems fair to me, they are pretty flexible about what you do and how you manage it.  I am lucky in my employer though.

 

The transition to a more hybrid way of working was always likely to happen in the longer term, but the big bang nature of the switch to largely or even primarily WFH definitely caught a lot of businesses on the hop. The larger and more agile ones were more likely to have contigency plans in place, but it's likely a lot of smaller businesses and a fair amount of the city centre hospitality industry are doomed in the longer term.

The genie's out the bottle now though, and regardless of how hard the 2019 Re-enactment Society like yer man from Aberdeen rage about getting everything back to "normal" it's not going back in. When the internal combustion engine came on the scene in a big way I'm sure there were a lot of blacksmiths and horse breeders fuming about how it was likely to put them out of business, but longer term that didn't make any difference either.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Hillonearth

[scw1987]

1 hour ago, virginton said:

Convenience is not a legitimate mental health prevention measure that any organisation should be  obliged to recognise. 

Don't remember saying it was in my post, did you misread it? 

[coprolite]

13 minutes ago, Hillonearth said:

The transition to a more hybrid way of working was always likely to happen in the longer term, but the big bang nature of the switch to largely or even primarily WFH definitely caught a lot of businesses on the hop. The larger and more agile ones were more likely to have contigency plans in place, but it's likely a lot of smaller businesses and a fair amount of the city centre hospitality industry are doomed in the longer term.

The genie's out the bottle now though, and regardless of how hard the 2019 Re-enactment Society like yer man from Aberdeen rage about getting everything back to "normal" it's not going back in. When the internal combustion engine came on the scene in a big way I'm sure there were a lot of blacksmiths and horse breeders fuming about how it was likely to put them out of business, but longer term that didn't make any difference either.

On the flip side, the cafes and coffee shops in the outlying business district near my house are thriving. There are more independents here although the big chains are represented, but it’s not a desert with only Starbucks and Pret like most city centres. I expect the council’s issue is the lower rates outside the centre.

[TxRover]

Uh oh, VT’s had to leave another thread, and settled here to fulfill his need to be contrary. Just joining threads to be a miserable c**t since 2007.

[Hillonearth]

19 minutes ago, coprolite said:

On the flip side, the cafes and coffee shops in the outlying business district near my house are thriving. There are more independents here although the big chains are represented, but it’s not a desert with only Starbucks and Pret like most city centres. I expect the council’s issue is the lower rates outside the centre.

That's exactly what I was meaning in terms of agility - a gradual move out of the city centre proper and closer to where people actually live.

Conversely, if you run a sandwich shop that previously had a captive audience of a couple of big city centre businesses or a pub dependent on the post-work office crowd and have been doggedly sitting it out for more than two years waiting for people to come back, you might as well put out the lights now.

[VincentGuerin]

I live in a small town from which a lot of people (used to?) commute to the nearby larger towns and cities. I've barely been in my office since March 2020, and I'll be fucked if I'm going to start commuting again and spending all the time, energy, and money that entails just because some manager 'likes to see people's faces'. I think it would genuinely be a resigning issue for me now, as there are so many jobs you can have now and work from home. Fortunately, our boss isn't a massive choob, so that's not going to happen.

What is noticeable is that our wee town now has two more cafes than it had before, one more restaurant, and a brand new pub. I very much doubt this is in no way a result of the locals having more money and time to spend. We need more pandemics to improve our small towns, imo.

[scottsdad]

One of the (few) positives to come from the pandemic is a greater awareness of mental health. Added to that, it altered over the course of the last 3 years.

People were literally scared silly during the pandemic. They saw others not as people and human beings but as plague carriers. We were not helped at all by scientists of various flavours all offering differing viewpoints and acting like celebrities as a result. Some wallowed in having a "following" for the first time. Add to that government ministers giving mixed messages, trying to virtue signal by locking down when it wasn't needed. Over and over again, people's mental health was under assault. Is it any wonder people haven't gone straight back to work the minute the all-clear was given?

One colleague of mine I saw teaching whilst wearing two masks. This was 3 weeks ago. I had seen him in corridors like this and thought, fair enough, his choice. But to see him trying to muffle his way through a lecture, whilst every student in the room was unmasked (and apparently checking their phones). Here is one guy who is not comfortable around other people, post-pandemic.

It isn't about convenience, like VT suggests. For some, their world view has changed. For others, the (genuine) question can be asked: do I need to go back to working in the old way, when the new one does just fine?

The new world order is a mix. Some folk are back full time - some never stopped - some are WFH full time. Some are a mixture. For me, I am in three days a week. If I was at home full time, I wouldn't have the chance to corner a colleague in the corridor and bore them half to death with my inane drivel. That kind of interaction has to be done in person, and is a day well spent. I'd be in more but petrol costs too much.

[TxRover]

1 hour ago, VincentGuerin said:

I live in a small town from which a lot of people (used to?) commute to the nearby larger towns and cities. I've barely been in my office since March 2020, and I'll be fucked if I'm going to start commuting again and spending all the time, energy, and money that entails just because some manager 'likes to see people's faces'. I think it would genuinely be a resigning issue for me now, as there are so many jobs you can have now and work from home. Fortunately, our boss isn't a massive choob, so that's not going to happen.

What is noticeable is that our wee town now has two more cafes than it had before, one more restaurant, and a brand new pub. I very much doubt this is in no way a result of the locals having more money and time to spend. We need more pandemics to improve our small towns, imo.

The most prevalent obstacle to continuing to work remotely continues to be managers that can’t wrap their heads around the fact that all their subordinates are not greedily, self-serving little weasel like themselves who will avoid working if not being micro-managed. While wrapping up my career at the tail of the pandemic shutdown, I was talking to a coworker who was being badgered by their manager because their “productivity”, per a monitoring program, was low. The stupid program was looking for mouse movements to assess “productivity”, and the manager didn’t understand both how that worked and that his job involved a good bit of offline listening to tapes of conversations, reading of materials, regulations and reports and then inputing those results into a report online. He was working his ass off and being told he wasn’t working…and was near quitting until I introduced him to a mouse jiggler.

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

3 hours ago, sophia said:

Allan "Hendo" Henderson.

Seems to be one of these mouth on a stick go to guys for BBC Radio Scotland