Conference League Good Guys List

[vikingTON]

10 hours ago, Burnieman said:

 

As for achieving revenge, removing voting rights from more clubs as outlined would help to reduce the "non-league voting block".

But it wasn't the "non-league voting block" that directly scuppered the SFA's proposal. If it had been decided by 42 SPFL clubs, it still had no chance of passing. 

[newcastle broon]

3 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

In the past, it's been the LL runners-up who have filled any extra places I believe.

So it should be (or HFL) down to footballing standards set but as we all know odd decisions can be made from the powers that be within our game.

[welshbairn]

9 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

In the past, it's been the LL runners-up who have filled any extra places I believe.

It's gone HL runners up last year, LL the year before. Everyone including Stirling Uni assumed it would be the LL's turn again this year.

[Burnieman]

5 minutes ago, virginton said:

But it wasn't the "non-league voting block" that directly scuppered the SFA's proposal. If it had been decided by 42 SPFL clubs, it still had no chance of passing. 

I know, but trying to be rational with how the SFA view it and do next is impossible.

You never know, maybe with Mad Mike Mulraney sitting on the throne they'll actually do the right thing and properly consult with clubs and listen. Then again....

[Brazilianlex]

9 hours ago, PossilYM said:

Voted for B teams in the Lowland League.

Along with 9 others 

[craigkillie]

11 minutes ago, virginton said:

But it wasn't the "non-league voting block" that directly scuppered the SFA's proposal. If it had been decided by 42 SPFL clubs, it still had no chance of passing. 

In fact, the entire process of taking it to the SFA AGM specifically came around because the SPFL Board and SFA Board knew that it wouldn't be able to be passed by the SPFL. The non-league clubs were their best hope of getting it through.

[Burnieman]

15 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

In fact, the entire process of taking it to the SFA AGM specifically came around because the SPFL Board and SFA Board knew that it wouldn't be able to be passed by the SPFL. The non-league clubs were their best hope of getting it through.

Not really. The Conference proposal would never have happened had the SPFL agreed that the other two options ie expansion of L2 or a new L3, were a goer. They weren't. The SPFL instead indicated that an independent Conference would be supported and they agreed to administer it, new company set-up etc. If anything, the SPFL encouraged the SFA/Maxwell to continue down the Conference route as they would have thought the SPFL clubs would back it without too much fuss, and it kept B teams away from the SPFL in the meantime.

The non-league clubs were the ones that were a certainly to vehemently oppose the Conference and started making the fuss from the outset along with their fans/followers of the non league game [inc the twitter account and petition], that then caught on with fans of SPFL clubs once they understood what was going on, and the momentum gathered pace to the point where the media took more than just a passing interest.  It made SPFL clubs sit up and take notice once their fans started making a noise.

If at the outset non-league clubs had said nothing, sat back and accepted it was a "done deal", we'd have a Conference League today.

[Blue Brazil Forever]

10 hours ago, PossilYM said:

Cowdenbeath certainly are  good guys.

Fixed it for you.

[CambieBud]

According to BBC website:

Maxwell said “ We wanted it to be overwhelmingly supported. From a board perspective, we didn’t want it to go through 51-49. We need to reflect on what’s happened and understand the best way to take that forward and make sure that the next proposal that comes is supported overwhelmingly across the game.”

 

so it ain’t going away

[Dev]

16 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

Not really. The Conference proposal would never have happened had the SPFL agreed that the other two options ie expansion of L2 or a new L3, were a goer. They weren't. The SPFL instead indicated that an independent Conference would be supported and they agreed to administer it, new company set-up etc. If anything, the SPFL encouraged the SFA/Maxwell to continue down the Conference route as they would have thought the SPFL clubs would back it without too much fuss, and it kept B teams away from the SPFL in the meantime.

The non-league clubs were the ones that were a certainly to vehemently oppose the Conference and started making the fuss from the outset along with their fans/followers of the non league game [inc the twitter account and petition], that then caught on with fans of SPFL clubs once they understood what was going on, and the momentum gathered pace to the point where the media took more than just a passing interest.  It made SPFL clubs sit up and take notice once their fans started making a noise.

If at the outset non-league clubs had said nothing, sat back and accepted it was a "done deal", we'd have a Conference League today.

That is it in a nutshell.

Now the SPFL clubs supporters need to be activated to sort out the promotion/relegation mess between the league and the LL/HL.

[Burnieman]

2 minutes ago, CambieBud said:

According to BBC website:

Maxwell said “ We wanted it to be overwhelmingly supported. From a board perspective, we didn’t want it to go through 51-49. We need to reflect on what’s happened and understand the best way to take that forward and make sure that the next proposal that comes is supported overwhelmingly across the game.”

so it ain’t going away

In a way, that's a good thing as he now realises that without "overwhelming support" it's dead in the water.  So the SFA need to constructively engage with leagues and clubs, not just try to steamroller daft ideas through AGM.

The clock is now ticking on the B teams future in the LL.

[Dev]

2 minutes ago, CambieBud said:

According to BBC website:

Maxwell said “ We wanted it to be overwhelmingly supported. From a board perspective, we didn’t want it to go through 51-49. We need to reflect on what’s happened and understand the best way to take that forward and make sure that the next proposal that comes is supported overwhelmingly across the game.”

 

so it ain’t going away

That depends on just what is tried next. maybe with a new man at the top he will see an opportunity to come up with a decent restructuring proposal. Can only hope! However, more of the same is only going to cause more embarrassment for the clique that currently controls matters and could lead to bigger changes at the top.

[Dev]

21 minutes ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

Fixed it for you.

Why is it that Cowdenbeath seem to think that it's them against the world? Or is it just a few posters on P&B who are out of touch with the club that they seem to support?

Edited June 8, 2023 by Dev
.

[LongTimeLurker]

36 minutes ago, CambieBud said:

According to BBC website:

Maxwell said “ We wanted it to be overwhelmingly supported. From a board perspective, we didn’t want it to go through 51-49. We need to reflect on what’s happened and understand the best way to take that forward and make sure that the next proposal that comes is supported overwhelmingly across the game.” ...

They maybe need to reflect on how badly out of touch they were with the prevailing sentiments held at the level of the game they were foisting this new division onto. Given the whole done deal and it could happen as soon as next season vibe I'm skeptical about this not wanting a 51-49 angle. The motion was only withdrawn at the very last minute once it became 100% clear that there were enough declared NO votes to scupper it. If they had genuinely only wanted it to go through with overwhelming support it would have been withdrawn much sooner than that.

[craigkillie]

7 hours ago, Burnieman said:

Not really. The Conference proposal would never have happened had the SPFL agreed that the other two options ie expansion of L2 or a new L3, were a goer. They weren't. The SPFL instead indicated that an independent Conference would be supported and they agreed to administer it, new company set-up etc. If anything, the SPFL encouraged the SFA/Maxwell to continue down the Conference route as they would have thought the SPFL clubs would back it without too much fuss, and it kept B teams away from the SPFL in the meantime.

The non-league clubs were the ones that were a certainly to vehemently oppose the Conference and started making the fuss from the outset along with their fans/followers of the non league game [inc the twitter account and petition], that then caught on with fans of SPFL clubs once they understood what was going on, and the momentum gathered pace to the point where the media took more than just a passing interest.  It made SPFL clubs sit up and take notice once their fans started making a noise.

If at the outset non-league clubs had said nothing, sat back and accepted it was a "done deal", we'd have a Conference League today.

 

They clearly didn't think this, or it would have been voted through the SPFL as an additional SPFL division (which is what it basically was in all but name). However, an explicit reason given for the Conference League approach was that it would circumvent the need for an SPFL vote, which they knew they would lose.

SPFL supporters have consistently lobbied against B teams every time this idea has been proposed over the last 10 years or so, that's why they had to eventually settle on the Lowland League in the first place. The non-league clubs proved to be much more malleable on that occasion, and they were hoping it would be the case again.

[Bairnardo]

7 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

They maybe need to reflect on how badly out of touch they were with the prevailing sentiments held at the level of the game they were foisting this new division onto. Given the whole done deal and it could happen as soon as next season vibe I'm skeptical about this not wanting a 51-49 angle. The motion was only withdrawn at the very last minute once it became 100% clear that there were enough declared NO votes to scupper it. If they had genuinely only wanted it to go through with overwhelming support it would have been withdrawn much sooner than that.

Aye. A load of face saving drivel from an absolute clown

[Burnieman]

1 hour ago, craigkillie said:

 

They clearly didn't think this, or it would have been voted through the SPFL as an additional SPFL division (which is what it basically was in all but name). However, an explicit reason given for the Conference League approach was that it would circumvent the need for an SPFL vote, which they knew they would lose.

SPFL supporters have consistently lobbied against B teams every time this idea has been proposed over the last 10 years or so, that's why they had to eventually settle on the Lowland League in the first place. The non-league clubs proved to be much more malleable on that occasion, and they were hoping it would be the case again.

It's all conjecture and we're probably giving the SFA too much credit for having any sort of strategy, however once the SPFL reps indicated no objection to the Conference proposal - which would have kept B teams at arms length for the foreseeable AND more importantly given them their "softer landing" financially - then I'm fairly sure Maxwell & Co were confident they could have relied on 95% of SPFL club votes, and with the help of the Brora guy and the LL Chairman could maybe count on some votes going their way at that level as well, particularly as the LL had just re-admitted B teams.

We'll never know for sure, but without the @notobteams twitter campaign catching hold - eventually - at all levels, then I don't think you will have seen as many SPFL clubs take an interest in it as they did.  Look at Clyde's statement pre-vote and East Fife's attitude as a couple of examples, they were probably surprised at how much fuss was being kicked up about it.  They didn't care about B teams, the financial comfort blanket was the important bit for them.

If the SFA thought for a second that the non-league clubs were there for the taking, it shows how little they know and completely out of touch they are, as alluded to here;

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/opinion-out-of-touch-scottish-football-blazers-must-do-better-after-baffling-decisions-4174839

Edited June 8, 2023 by Burnieman

[Cowden Cowboy]

9 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

It's all conjecture and we're probably giving the SFA too much credit for having any sort of strategy, however once the SPFL reps indicated no objection to the Conference proposal - which would have kept B teams at arms length for the foreseeable AND more importantly given them their "softer landing" financially - then I'm fairly sure Maxwell & Co were confident they could have relied on 95% of SPFL club votes, and with the help of the Brora guy and the LL Chairman could maybe count on some votes going their way at that level as well, particularly as the LL had just re-admitted B teams.

We'll never know for sure, but without the @notobteams twitter campaign catching hold - eventually - at all levels, then I don't think you will have seen as many SPFL clubs take an interest in it as they did.  Look at Clyde's statement pre-vote and East Fife's attitude as a couple of examples, they were probably surprised at how much fuss was being kicked up about it.  They didn't care about B teams, the financial comfort blanket was the important bit for them.

If the SFA thought for a second that the non-league clubs were there for the taking, it shows how little they know and completely out of touch they are, as alluded to here;

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/opinion-out-of-touch-scottish-football-blazers-must-do-better-after-baffling-decisions-4174839

I must have missed that game when the Uni seemingly defeated us in the League at Central Park?! 

[Gordon EF]

12 hours ago, welshbairn said:

It's gone HL runners up last year, LL the year before. Everyone including Stirling Uni assumed it would be the LL's turn again this year.

University of Stirling weren't actually LL runners up last season, of course.

[LongTimeLurker]

They were in terms of the rules as written. The B teams do not count in determining any league table position for issues such as promotion, relegation, etc.