Burnieman Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) Is it beyond the ken to have all tier 5 and 6 leagues, the SPFL, and the SFA round the table, along with two or three clubs from each league as well as the league reps themselves, along with that dreaded word "consultants" to lead it, and actually find a constructive way forward. Have a number of sessions over the course of the next 6 months, even bring in fans groups to speak at it, and find common ground on promotion/relegation, on B/Reserves, league size, licencing, voting rights, the whole shebang, and work from there. No topic off the table. If the SFA were serious about consultation and engagement, be open about it and involve as many voices as they can. We can have Mulraney sticking Post-Its to the ideas wall, Maxwell serving the coffee, Doncaster wibbling in the corner. Sky would be interested. Edited June 6, 2023 by Burnieman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 A quick point I intended to make days ago about these B team claims which were made in the proposal document. Aye, quite a few guys who went on to bigger things played for B teams, but many of them did not play for B teams in respective national league systems, they played in reserve or B team leagues. Presently, that doesn't matter, but remember it for the next time the argument is falsely made. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, Burnieman said: Is it beyond the ken to have all tier 5 and 6 leagues, the SPFL, and the SFA round the table, along with two or three clubs from each league as well as the league reps themselves, along with that dreaded word "consultants" to lead it, and actually find a constructive way forward. Have a number of sessions over the course of the next 6 months, even bring in fans groups to speak at it, and find common ground on promotion/relegation, on B/Reserves, league size, licencing, voting rights, the whole shebang, and work from there. No topic off the table. If the SFA were serious about consultation and engagement, be open about it and involve as many voices as they can. We can have Mulraney sticking Post-Its to the ideas wall, Maxwell serving the coffee, Doncaster wibbling in the corner. Sky would be interested. I wouldn't dare to drink any coffee served by Maxwell. He is so incompetent that he'd probably mess that up too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Zero Think tanks are needed. Pyramid just needs left alone with more promotion & relegation at EVERY level. B teams may be welcomed at whatever the bottom tier is in the area they apply from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 If they aren't going to be able to rise as far as the division below the first team it's farcical and unworkable and the SFA and SPFL need to focus on rejuvenating their reserve league setups instead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowayBlue Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Time to take B Teams off the table and put some genuine effort into improving Scottish football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Burnieman said: Is it beyond the ken to have all tier 5 and 6 leagues, the SPFL, and the SFA round the table, along with two or three clubs from each league as well as the league reps themselves, along with that dreaded word "consultants" to lead it, and actually find a constructive way forward. Have a number of sessions over the course of the next 6 months, even bring in fans groups to speak at it, and find common ground on promotion/relegation, on B/Reserves, league size, licencing, voting rights, the whole shebang, and work from there. No topic off the table. If the SFA were serious about consultation and engagement, be open about it and involve as many voices as they can. We can have Mulraney sticking Post-Its to the ideas wall, Maxwell serving the coffee, Doncaster wibbling in the corner. Sky would be interested. Sounds like an idea for a d.mn funny TV comedy series. Who would be chosen to play the main roles? i.e. the OF, Maxwell, etc. There must be stacks of comedians who could play parts from the audience of clubs, fans, etc present. Just imagine the One-Liners! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razamanaz Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 What was the criteria for getting a vote? Is it all licensed teams? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, razamanaz said: What was the criteria for getting a vote? Is it all licensed teams? All teams tier 5 and above and all teams below tier 5 that were licensed pre-2018. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razamanaz Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Marten said: All teams tier 5 and above and all teams below tier 5 that were licensed pre-2018. Cheers, Why the cut off date? Thought being licensed would be enough - a lot of teams now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, razamanaz said: Cheers, Why the cut off date? Thought being licensed would be enough - a lot of teams now Because they didn't want the non-league clubs out voting the SPFL ones... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 29 minutes ago, razamanaz said: Cheers, Why the cut off date? Thought being licensed would be enough - a lot of teams now Some members are now more equal thank others. It's self preservation again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 One member club, one vote is a completely unworkable system with the pyramid opening up tbh. While every member should be entitled to a vote, I would give a +1 multiple added to the weight of votes from the higher tiers. So a bottom rung club gets 1 vote, a club in the league above gets 2 votes and so on Either that or there has to be a restriction on which measures can be voted on based on demonstrable impact - one that works both ways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Anyway, where's Cowboy? I want to know when the Conference will be forced though by the SFA and their special powers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Just now, Burnieman said: Some members are now more equal thank others. It's self preservation again. 1) Some members quite clearly are more equal than nonsense outfits like Broomhill who have slithered into the pyramid. 2) There is a clear distinction in interests between football clubs that are run primarily as a business - a (supposedly) professional, commercial operation and those that are not. That's not to say the latter shouldn't have a voice - they absolutely should - but the idea that the voice of Campbeltown Pupils is just as relevant to decisions that might decide how millions of pounds of money is divvied up to a club in the professional ranks runs against reality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, Marten said: All teams tier 5 and above and all teams below tier 5 that were licensed pre-2018. *pre-2019 AGM, ie before the one where all the ex-Junior clubs in the EOS got licensed (doesn't change much but means LTHV get a vote) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Burnieman said: Anyway, where's Cowboy? I want to know when the Conference will be forced though by the SFA and their special powers. I am here and never suggested they would do that rather they had chosen to go for a vote. But factual reporting has long since gone by the wayside here. Nuff said 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Cowden Cowboy said: I am here and never suggested they would do that rather they had chosen to go for a vote. But factual reporting has long since gone by the wayside here. Nuff said 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, virginton said: 1) Some members quite clearly are more equal than nonsense outfits like Broomhill who have slithered into the pyramid. 2) There is a clear distinction in interests between football clubs that are run primarily as a business - a (supposedly) professional, commercial operation and those that are not. That's not to say the latter shouldn't have a voice - they absolutely should - but the idea that the voice of Campbeltown Pupils is just as relevant to decisions that might decide how millions of pounds of money is divvied up to a club in the professional ranks runs against reality. Many new members are being denied a vote purely to maintain a balance in favour of SPFL clubs, that's frankly corrupt, but it's the SFA here. There were a number of resolutions tabled today which underlined & solidified that denial of voting rights. The SFA are not interested in devising a fair, weighted system where every club (not the Pupils though as they are not SFA members) has a vote, and after being humiliated with the Conference proposal they're not exactly going to rush to restore voting rights for everyone. I would be more inclined to expect that they will seek to remove "granfathered" rights from members below tier 5 eg. Hawick, Coldstream, Golspie etc. Edited June 6, 2023 by Burnieman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 20 minutes ago, Burnieman said: 16 minutes ago, Burnieman said: Many new members are being denied a vote purely to maintain a balance in favour of SPFL clubs, that's frankly corrupt, but it's the SFA here. There were a number of resolutions tabled today which underlined & solidified that denial of voting rights. The SFA are not interested in devising a fair, weighted system where every club (not the Pupils though as they are not SFA members) has a vote, and after being humiliated with the Conference proposal they're not exactly going to rush to restore voting rights for everyone. I would be more inclined to expect that they will seek to remove "granfathered" rights from members below tier 5 eg. Hawick, Coldstream, Golspie etc. Your usual standards here - the balance isn’t in favour of the SPFL clubs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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