1993 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 18 hours ago, Am Muilleach said: One reason that this Conference bollocks has reared its head is that the LL told the B teams they could GTF as, when European matches were on, the Bs fielded greatly weakened teams and got thumped. When no Euro legs on they fielded very strong teams resulting in a totally skewed league depending on what other fixtures were scheduled when you played them. Completely farcical, a situation that won't change with the proposed setup. Well said. Fundamentally an unfair competition and always will be with B teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 On 16/05/2023 at 17:59, Am Muilleach said: One reason that this Conference bollocks has reared its head is that the LL told the B teams they could GTF as, when European matches were on, the Bs fielded greatly weakened teams and got thumped. When no Euro legs on they fielded very strong teams resulting in a totally skewed league depending on what other fixtures were scheduled when you played them. Completely farcical, a situation that won't change with the proposed setup. This happened back in the 50's or 60's with the old C league as well. Possibly one of the reasons the conference C league was scrapped and a new system constructed. It didn't work back then so why do they think it will suddenly work now ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 This is all about the old firm.They are trying to get Scottish football to develop their players for them at the cost to alot of clubs around the bottom of league two and all clubs lower. It isnt Scottish footballs job to help the old firms reserve players 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'mon_the_Sons Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) Peterhead being clear on their intentions https://twitter.com/pfcofficial/status/1662060549788557313 Edited May 26, 2023 by C'mon_the_Sons 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Bonnyrigg Rose Statement Proposal to be voted on at SFA AGM on June 6th As has been widely reported in the written and digital press, there will a vote on the creation of a new Conference League at Tier 5 at the Scottish FA AGM on June 6th. The proposal Creation of a 10-team Scottish Conference League consisting of four B Teams. The first Season of the Scottish Conference League will be Season 2024/25. Top two Highland League teams at the end of Season 2023/24 included. Top four Lowland League teams at the end of Season 2023/24 included. B Teams cannot be promoted or relegated from The Scottish Conference League. The Scottish Conference League to be funded by a B Team participation fee: with six non-B teams receiving an estimated payment of around £40,000 each per annum. Minimum five-year commitment required from B Teams. Highest placed non-B Team at the end of the Season will enter a promotion/relegation Play Off with SPFL Club 42 as per current model. Lowest placed non-B Team at the end of the Season will be relegated to the Highland or Lowland League, replaced by the winner of the Highland/Lowland League Champions Play Off. Second-lowest placed non-B Team at the end of the Season will enter a promotion/relegation Play Off with the loser of the Highland/Lowland League Champions Play Off. B Teams must include a minimum of seven Scotland eligible players in their starting XI, and their matchday squad must include no fewer than eleven Scotland eligible players. We have held two previous supporter consultations on B team entry into the Lowland League in 2021 and 2022, which are both worth reading. On both occasions our supporters overwhelmingly rejected the motion and while our supporter base has grown in number, our belief is that their thoughts haven’t. As a supporter owned and supporter run club for 142 years we will listen to and carry out the will of our fanbase in motions such as these, even when we are in the minority as per the two previous occasions and when there is a perceived financial benefit should be find ourselves back in Tier 5 in the future. Our circumstances have changed but our principles haven’t, or shouldn’t. We made these points back in 2021 but they are worth repeating: It isn’t that long ago that 13 East of Scotland sides and their board decided unanimously not only to allow us and 25 others entry to the East of Scotland League, but to allow us to play at the same level as existing teams and creating the Conferences. If that didn’t happen we wouldn’t have been promoted to the Lowland League at the first attempt as we would have been in (at least) the 2nd tier of EoS football if we were made to join at the bottom and who knows what might have happened then. Looking back on our first season in the EoS league our supporters remember the hurdles we had to jump through off the field once the team did the business on it in order to join the Lowland League and Tier 5, with the installation of floodlights in three weeks and campaigns on several different fronts before we were eventually admitted. We, alongside Kelty Hearts, Bo’ness United, Caledonian Braves, Tranent Juniors and Linlithgow Rose all had to start at the bottom in order to gain our status at Tier 5 and there are now over 150 clubs trying to do the same. Our members have no problem whatsoever with any B team joining the pyramid, but that they are treated in the same way as every other new joiner and starting at the bottom and allowed to progress up to Tier 6 in line with other current reserve teams in the EoS and SoS leagues. Simply put, by voting this proposal through we turn Tier 5 into one for hire and that can’t possibly correlate with any semblance of either sporting or pyramid integrity. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) Bonnyrigg Rose know where it's at. Edited May 26, 2023 by Sparticus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC Boggs Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Sparticus said: Bonnyrigg Rose know where it's at. Yes they do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 "It's a slippery slope" warned the Bonnyrigg Rose chairman... "But enough about the pitch at New Dundas Park." 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammyton Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 This is looking like a done deal, so much silence from your teams. Even teams trying to deny getting the email with the paperwork despite having it for over a week. Rancel have your club chairmen bent over and they are mainly saying yes please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverCity Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 The Conference league is a farce,why only 2 teams from the Highland league and the Lowland league gets 4.This league will get pushed through for next season another cow down by the SFA towards the old firm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RateofKnots Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 41 minutes ago, RiverCity said: The Conference league is a farce,why only 2 teams from the Highland league and the Lowland league gets 4.This league will get pushed through for next season another cow down by the SFA towards the old firm. I'd venture a guess than there is significantly less interest from HL clubs, based on previous years. Thats not a slight on the HL, just my opinion based on things that have been said before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) The Highland League wangled a concession to bring it down from 4 to 2. I can't imagine any Highland League club volunteering to play a bunch of u20s and Lowland League clubs though, especially with no easy route up to League 2. Edited May 27, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC Boggs Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 What a proposal! A tier 5 with only 10 teams in it and the majority of Highland and Lowland league sides punted down a tier. Already voted NO. Kick this stink bomb all the way back to Glasgow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 4 hours ago, welshbairn said: The Highland League wangled a concession to bring it down from 4 to 2. I can't imagine any Highland League club volunteering to play a bunch of u20s and Lowland League clubs though, especially with no easy route up to League 2. The Highland League would have been better advised to tell the SFA to f**k right off with their Conference and hermetically seal their own competition which survived successfully for decades before people started coming up with ever more imaginative proposals for Old Firm to shaft Scottish football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 On 16/05/2023 at 17:59, Am Muilleach said: One reason that this Conference bollocks has reared its head is that the LL told the B teams they could GTF as, when European matches were on, the Bs fielded greatly weakened teams and got thumped. When no Euro legs on they fielded very strong teams resulting in a totally skewed league depending on what other fixtures were scheduled when you played them. Completely farcical, a situation that won't change with the proposed setup. The idea that the LL grew a pair after enabling B teams in the first place - and subsequently lost them again by gormlessly voting for more of the same - is going to need a lorryload of evidence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Don’t have an official statement like Bonnyrigg, but I hear from a very reliable source that Whitehill Welfare will be voting the same way… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Only clubs that have had their SFA license after 2018 are not allowed to vote on this idiotic, corrupt idea of a conference league. Anyone got or can work out a list of the teams who are allowed to vote. All Premier League - All All Championship - Cove Rangers, when did they receive their SFA license? All First Division - Peterhead, Kelty and Edinburgh FC, when did they receive their SFA license? All Second Division - Annan, Bonnyrigg and Elgin City when did they receive their SFA license? Lowland league - Which teams have had their license since 2018? Highland League - Which teams have had their license since 2018? Tier 6 or Below - Any teams received their SFA license before 2018 including the SOSFL, anyone know? Whatever random excuse the SFA say from 2018 beyond cannot vote, the SFA knew that nearly every team would vote against this league that's why, I believe, they made the date of 2018. Just a cliquish, closed shop to stop the teams from lower down progressing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: Only clubs that have had their SFA license after 2018 are not allowed to vote on this idiotic, corrupt idea of a conference league. Anyone got or can work out a list of the teams who are allowed to vote. All Premier League - All All Championship - Cove Rangers, when did they receive their SFA license? All First Division - Peterhead, Kelty and Edinburgh FC, when did they receive their SFA license? All Second Division - Annan, Bonnyrigg and Elgin City when did they receive their SFA license? Lowland league - Which teams have had their license since 2018? Highland League - Which teams have had their license since 2018? Tier 6 or Below - Any teams received their SFA license before 2018 including the SOSFL, anyone know? Whatever random excuse the SFA say from 2018 beyond cannot vote, the SFA knew that nearly every team would vote against this league that's why, I believe, they made the date of 2018. Just a cliquish, closed shop to stop the teams from lower down progressing. All sides in Tiers 1 to 5 have a vote. It's only the clubs outwith those tiers that are impacted by the rule. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Gimme said: All sides in Tiers 1 to 5 have a vote. It's only the clubs outwith those tiers that are impacted by the rule. Thought it was on or before 2018 if they had a license ? Think there were some SOSFL teams with a license before this date. Is there anywhere confirming confirmation of which teams can and cannot vote on their conference league ? Edited May 28, 2023 by Bestsinceslicebread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: Anyone got or can work out a list of the teams who are allowed to vote. I posted a list here of what I think the list is (all clubs in tier 1-5, plus those licensed before the 2019 AGM, and other associations) - no one has replied to confirm it though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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