welshbairn Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Blue Brazil Forever said: I wonder if he will want his loan back now ? And will he receive his redundancy money and his bonus for all his successful administration of the Party ? Aye, 8 election victories in a row is a terrible record. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Aye, 8 election victories in a row is a terrible record. I think the election victories are more to do with the first minister than the CEO. I couldn't even name you a CEO of any other party or the SNP CEO before Murrell. I suspect that tells its own story. This is a man who consistently re-wrote the rules, when members elected people to the NEC he didn't like he just directly appointed more to the NEC to regain control. When members elected committees and he lost control he refused to allow the committees to meet as only HQ could call committee meeting. When the Treasurer and Audit Committee wanted to see the accounts, he blocked access. He has damaged the party ridiculously. This is long overdue. That's before we talk about financial impropriety. The man should not be celebrated but derided. I'm surprised you're white knighting him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie adie Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 I was sent a voting ballot despite have ended my membership more than 3 yrs ago 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Willie adie said: I was sent a voting ballot despite have ended my membership more than 3 yrs ago Don't worry about it, your vote has already been cast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Trogdor said: The man should not be celebrated but derided. I'm surprised you're white knighting him. You shouldn't be. He was also white knighting for the world's shittest dentist for the best part of two years. Edited March 18, 2023 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Trogdor said: I think the election victories are more to do with the first minister than the CEO. I couldn't even name you a CEO of any other party or the SNP CEO before Murrell. I suspect that tells its own story. The only reason you know his name is probably because of who he's married to. It's probably also the main reason for all the unsubstantiated allegations. Anyone who uses the rules to stop Cherry getting into a position of power in the party is OK in my book. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 we all thought it would be a shitshow but it just keeps on going, what next ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The only reason you know his name is probably because of who he's married to. It's probably also the main reason for all the unsubstantiated allegations. Anyone who uses the rules to stop Cherry getting into a position of power in the party is OK in my book. You're better than that. Everything in my post is factual not unsubstantiated. A members organisation that treats its members with contempt isn't much of a members organisation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) its not enough to win elections though you actually have to implement policies and improve things once your in power, thats the failure Edited March 18, 2023 by ScotiaNostra 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Trogdor said: You're better than that. Everything in my post is factual not unsubstantiated. A members organisation that treats its members with contempt isn't much of a members organisation. I was talking about the fraud allegations, not using his knowledge of the rulebook to get a desired outcome which is standard politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's probably also the main reason for all the unsubstantiated allegations. So you're claiming that the investigative journalism of Private Eye regarding the Ted Crilly campaign funds was fabricated because Sturgeon's husband? Quote Anyone who uses the rules to stop Cherry getting into a position of power in the party is OK in my book. So misuse of office is acceptable so long as it's working against people you don't like. Absolutely laughable stuff, if this didn't also seem to be the mainstream SNP line on the issue too. We're fast approaching a Scottish Labour in the early 2000s level of arrogance and party functionalism. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, virginton said: So you're claiming that the investigative journalism of Private Eye regarding the Ted Crilly campaign funds was fabricated because Sturgeon's husband? So misuse of office is acceptable so long as it's working against people you don't like. Absolutely laughable stuff, if this didn't also seem to be the mainstream SNP line on the issue too. We're fast approaching a Scottish Labour in the early 2000s level of arrogance and party functionalism. I was thinking something similar earlier, this is very much the same as labour in 90¨s/2000s in how the SNP are taking voters for granted, they expect to win whatever and that means they arent making much effort to actually run things well Edited March 18, 2023 by ScotiaNostra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 43 minutes ago, Willie adie said: I was sent a voting ballot despite have ended my membership more than 3 yrs ago This sounds a wee bit sinister to me. Presumably you are still counted as a member. How many others are in this situation? Could this be connected in some way to the Executive's dithering over revealing actual membership figures? As the Eye would say, I think we should be told. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 I think it's long been clear there is some sort of nonsense going on with how and when the membership info that was passed to Mi-voice was collated. Seemingly it's typical that it takes 3 months for cancelled memberships to actually be removed, so it's not surprising to see anyone who was a member between November 15th 2022 and February 15th 2023 receive a ballot, but the numbers of former members who left long before that reporting having received an email ballot suggests something far more egregious. It's as if whoever and whatever is in overall control of updating the membership database is either totally incompetent, lazy and intransigent, or totally indifferent for whatever reason. It's a shambles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Deary me, what an almighty mess. Sturgeon and Murrell have absolutely fucked this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: It's as if whoever and whatever is in overall control of updating the membership database is either totally incompetent, lazy and intransigent, or totally indifferent for whatever reason. It's a shambles. Or all of these? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: It's as if whoever and whatever is in overall control of updating the membership database is either totally incompetent, lazy and intransigent, or totally indifferent for whatever reason. It's a shambles. I've found the culprit... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said: Or all of these? Quite possibly, yes. Having worked in admin roles in the past I can see why this is the sort of thing that usually gets relegated to low priority and suffers as a result, but there's no excuse for being unable to take an accurate snapshot of actual membership on Feb 15th or whenever. In all honesty, it stinks to me of something that has been neglected as a result of a deliberate decision, and the total absence of oversight has let it atrophy to a point whereby it was impossible to accurately glean the necessary info. As much as I think Regan is a total loon, I actually think she has a credible case for getting this shelved while it's sorted out independently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orfc Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 But I thought the SNP's membership system was so top notch they counted it as an asset on their balance sheet? https://westbrook.co.uk/project-snp/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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