orfc Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: How is it a blow if he doesn’t want to keep him? Another blow to the “economic competency” gang. Because eventually with only 60 or so MSPs, you run out of options, experience and talent, if not already. Also, purge the cabinet of anyone who was forbes-minded, and you're basically telling the half of the membership who voted for her that their views aren't important nor wanted. Now you're basically just representing the green-haired brigade, when you're meant to be expanding your appeal, not reducing it, nice one 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Wingman said: Thought she just disagreed with gay marriage. Quite a reasonable position for a Christian to have. In fact I think the majority of Christian churches take this position. There's no obligation for any Christian church to conduct gay marriages, what they shouldn't be doing is trying to deny the right of others to do so, as a professed libertarian I'm sure you agree. Edited March 29, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: There's no obligation for any Christian church to conduct gay marriages, what they shouldn't be doing is trying to deny the right of others to do so, as a professed libertarian I'm sure you agree. Absolutely. The law allows gay marriage so end of story. However, there is no need for people to agree with it, such as Christians of most denominations. We live in a democracy where differing views are allowed. I disagree with it as a non Christian but as someone who thinks it debases the definition of marriage which I believe is between a man and a woman and starts out with the prospect of children through natural means. However, I would have no problem in attending a gay marriage ceremony. I would imagine Kate Forbes will have similar views but from a Christian standpoint. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 17 hours ago, George Cowley said: The SNP way - sideline/banish/bin anyone who might become a credible troublemaker. Haud the bus here. She was offered a cabinet post and turned it down. Keir Starmer has just completely removed Corbyn's right to stand as a Labour MP. When Boris Johnson took up post he sacked Hunt, Mordant, Mundell and Fox plus a few others whilst many others decided to quit. But aye, it's the SNP way right enough. Give your head a wobble. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Dunning1874 said: Only time will tell whether the old "offer a post to look magnanimous but make it an obvious demotion so they turn it down" gambit works out for Yousaf. Maybe it would have been better to have Forbes inside the tent pissing out, and having her in the backbenches will backfire and do real damage over time with creating a small section of disgruntled MSPs. Maybe though he knows he's going down a path that could have seen Forbes resigning from cabinet because of a policy she disagrees with anyway. If that's the thought process you could figure it's better to have her out now than having a high profile resignation undermining the credibility of a specific policy and/or the government in general, which would potentially cause more damage to party unity than not having his leadership rival in the cabinet in the first place. There may be a risk of the story running ahead of the facts here. According to the BBC website... "Robison added: "He made clear that he wanted Kate to be in government and they spoke on a number of occasions over the last two days about a role in government. "I understand the discussion was very cordial and was very much centred on what Kate's thoughts were." Asked if Forbes had been offered a demotion from the finance brief to rural affairs, Robison told the programme all government roles were important. She added "I know that the first minister was prepared to look at other roles, but after consideration it was Kate who made it clear that she wanted out of the spotlight." Source https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-65098644 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just watching Alex Salmond on Politics Live. Hadn't seen him for ages, but, my goodness, the man is a giant compared to all the SNP nonentities at Holyrood. From a unionist point of view, thank goodness he’s out of the frame. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 28 minutes ago, Wingman said: Just watching Alex Salmond on Politics Live. Hadn't seen him for ages, but, my goodness, the man is a giant compared to all the SNP nonentities at Holyrood. From a unionist point of view, thank goodness he’s out of the frame. From a nationalist point of view, he is poison. Thank God he is gone. No surprise a unionist admires a sex pest. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Highlandmagar said: From a nationalist point of view, he is poison. Thank God he is gone. No surprise a unionist admires a sex pest. I’m surprised (not really) that backers of Brexit Britain still think they have any right to call themselves “unionists”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: Beginning to look like purge of the pro-business wing. Fresh blow to Yousaf as business minister quits government 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 The political behemoth of our times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Wingman said: Thought she just disagreed with gay marriage. Quite a reasonable position for a Christian to have. In fact I think the majority of Christian churches take this position. It's certainly a reasonable position if you're a bigot who doesn't think others should enjoy the same rights as you do. 1 hour ago, orfc said: Now you're basically just representing the green-haired brigade The what now? 1 hour ago, Wingman said: but as someone who thinks it debases the definition of marriage which I believe is between a man and a woman and starts out with the prospect of children through natural means. What an absolute wrong 'un. You can be safely filed in the bigot bin as well then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Wingman said: I disagree with it as a non Christian but as someone who thinks it debases the definition of marriage which I believe is between a man and a woman and starts out with the prospect of children through natural means. This kind of rank garbage debases this forum, decency, and humanity. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Wingman said: Absolutely. The law allows gay marriage so end of story. However, there is no need for people to agree with it, such as Christians of most denominations. We live in a democracy where differing views are allowed. I disagree with it as a non Christian but as someone who thinks it debases the definition of marriage which I believe is between a man and a woman and starts out with the prospect of children through natural means. However, I would have no problem in attending a gay marriage ceremony. I would imagine Kate Forbes will have similar views but from a Christian standpoint. Only if you look at it from the viewpoint that Christianity has a monopoly on the definition of marriage. It doesn't, and nor should it. You can think it debases the definition of marriage all you want, so long as you acknowledge that your debased definition is from a religion you claim to not be involved with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 23 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: It's certainly a reasonable position if you're a bigot who doesn't think others should enjoy the same rights as you do. The what now? What an absolute wrong 'un. You can be safely filed in the bigot bin as well then. It’s Dawson Park Boy reincarnated 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Imagine referencing Christianity or any other religion as if it is of relevance! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, Rugster said: It’s Dawson Park Boy reincarnated That would indeed make sense. Not sure if he's confirmed that he still "hates women commenting on football on the telly" as yet though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Maybe I'm being precious but the BBC live update reads "LIVE Scottish cabinet posts being handed out" like a position in the cabinet is some sort of raffle prize! Humza announces cabinet appointment seems more appropriate to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Wingman said: Just watching Alex Salmond on Politics Live. Hadn't seen him for ages, but, my goodness, the man is a giant compared to all the SNP nonentities at Holyrood. From a unionist point of view, thank goodness he’s out of the frame. Using such fine phrases as my goodness and thank goodness allows one to make clear one's refinement while mingling on the pie and the bovril. A little trick there from finishing school. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 11 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said: Using such fine phrases as my goodness and thank goodness allows one to make clear one's refinement while mingling on the pie and the bovril. A little trick there from finishing school. I did like his answer to the question : If Humza Yousaf phoned you, would you listen to what he might have to say? Answer : Yes, provided he didn't reverse the charges! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orfc Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: The political behemoth of our times. Many cultures read right to left, it's this kind of inclusivity that the SNP is lacking 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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