invergowrie arab Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Forbes had expressed outright bigotry views and hid behind religion, Humza as far as I’m aware hasn’t, quite the difference I’m not in a state, I just think we should make a stand against bigotry, You Say it’s against 1 politician, but we are talking about 1 politician, why wouldn’t we be talking about their individual views? Humza refused to answer a question on whether or not he personally supports gay marriage on QT some years back but his voting record means most people dont really care. I'm not aware of anything in Forbes voting record which would give me cause for concerns but you can be sure that if she does run she'll be asked these questions. I'm at the stage now of leaning towards Forbes even if Robertson does run. She's a better politician and intellectually light years ahead of Humza and unlike Regan has managed to keep her more objectionable views out of parliament. She will also be bringing us closer to a Gaelic ethno-state. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 44 minutes ago, parsforlife said: I’m not in a state, I just think we should make a stand against bigotry, You are absolutely in a state, when your 'stand against bigotry' tantrum escalates to 'better stay in the Union than have one politician less progressive than me at Holyrood!'. Quote You Say it’s against 1 politician, but we are talking about 1 politician, why wouldn’t we be talking about their individual views? Because most people couldn't give a toss about a politician's individual views - they are separate to their actual day job which is (supposedly) to steer the country as a whole in the right direction. The peddling of identity issues as the acid test for political suitability is immature, Student Union level nonsense, when the country is a fucking binfire on all sorts of levels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Kate Forbes would be an absolute disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 13 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: I'm not sure about Regan. She can't expect loyalty from MSPs given that she resigned from the front bench and failed to support a significant policy from the manifesto. She has gone as far as saying if she wins she will reverse it, or I guess not challenge the UK G. If this is the case I hope she runs another election. However I suspect it's all posturing considering she was happy to champion it in order to get elected and cash in but now it's been whipped up into a decisive issue when in the real world it's a total non-issue I guess she sees it as a vote winner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Londonwell said: Kate Forbes would be an absolute disaster. What about Humza Yousaf? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: What about Humza Yousaf? Has a credibility issue with the public. Would normally be a hard pass from me but it's got to go to someone and I'd perhaps go for him if Robertson isn't in the frame. He's Sturgeon's choice which I guess may add some weight to his bid with the membership. Just to add, the thought of Roberston doesn't exactly fill me with joy either, and he might not even stand (seems to be telling different people different things), but I'd take him over the names mentioned at this stage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Should Kate Forbes declare her interest, she'd most certainly be my preferred choice, as: Angus Robertson is basically a non-catastrophically bald Swinney - a nice enough bloke but utterly beige as a leader Ash Regan is heavily supported by Cherry and on that basis alone is probably a bit of a c**t. And a transphobe. Humza is just really average at everything. I cannot think of a single thing he could point to and say he'd be proud of. Forbes, whilst young, is politically astute enough to know how to keep her religious beliefs and job as a politician apart and is a far better and bolder communicator than the others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Todesengel said: Why? Would only intensify the already widespread infighting, which has made the party seem like a disorganised mess on far too many occasions already. Economically and socially to the right. Would embolden people like Cherry. Plus, she’s not actually very good. That’s four reasons to get us started. Edited February 19, 2023 by Londonwell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, Londonwell said: Has a credibility issue with the public. Would normally be a hard pass from me but it's got to go to someone and I'd perhaps go for him if Robertson isn't in the frame. He's Sturgeon's choice which I guess may add some weight to his bid with the membership. Just to add, the thought of Roberston doesn't exactly fill me with joy either, and he might not even stand (seems to be telling different people different things), but I'd take him over the names mentioned at this stage. This is utterly depressing given that you seem to be in the know, at least with the Westminster end of things. Any chance of some new entrants to the race given the ones who have ruled themselves out? It's looking now that it could be a 2 way contest between Yousaf and Regan which would be an absolute disaster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: This is utterly depressing given that you seem to be in the know, at least with the Westminster end of things. Any chance of some new entrants to the race given the ones who have ruled themselves out? It's looking now that it could be a 2 way contest between Yousaf and Regan which would be an absolute disaster. I don’t know to be honest with you but I’d be shocked if Forbes didn’t declare for it very soon. Agree with you that it’s far from ideal. I was a Sturgeon guy but I think the fact that no one really has been presented to the public as an outstanding candidate to take over from her (as she was in the Salmond era) tells us two things. Nicola was abit of a control freak who had a very small group of people around her and succession planning out with that never seemed to be on the agenda. Secondly, there’s a bit of a dearth of talent at the top end of the party. Edited February 19, 2023 by Londonwell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: Should Kate Forbes declare her interest, she'd most certainly be my preferred choice, as: Angus Robertson is basically a non-catastrophically bald Swinney - a nice enough bloke but utterly beige as a leader Ash Regan is heavily supported by Cherry and on that basis alone is probably a bit of a c**t. And a transphobe. Humza is just really average at everything. I cannot think of a single thing he could point to and say he'd be proud of. Forbes, whilst young, is politically astute enough to know how to keep her religious beliefs and job as a politician apart and is a far better and bolder communicator than the others. I’d prefer Angus over Forbes simply because he’s been in Westminster and knows how that machine works but they’re a clear 1 and 2 other everyone else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 The lack of planning and preperation for someone to be waiting to take over suggests to me Sturgeon had not planned at all to leave now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Brown, McAllan and Gray all now confirmed not to be standing. McAllan would have been like a rabbit caught in the headlights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 18 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: Mairi McAllan has ruled herself out now. Surely to f**k it's not between Cherry's pal and Humza? That'd be soul destroying. Robertson simply has to declare he's in or this will quickly become a shitshow. Looks like talent amongst the latest gang of SNP MSPs (could also throw in MPs here) is thin on the ground. Or if not talent, people who think they can garner enough support to become FM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 8 hours ago, Londonwell said: I don’t know to be honest with you but I’d be shocked if Forbes didn’t declare for it very soon. Agree with you that it’s far from ideal. I was a Sturgeon guy but I think the fact that no one really has been presented to the public as an outstanding candidate to take over from her (as she was in the Salmond era) tells us two things. Nicola was abit of a control freak who had a very small group of people around her and succession planning out with that never seemed to be on the agenda. Secondly, there’s a bit of a dearth of talent at the top end of the party. In other words it's basically no different from business, football and many other facets of life (and indeed death); things happen and we need to respond. I get the distinct feeling too that those who accuse Sturgeon of exiting without announcing a successor, or the SNP failing to conduct any succession planning, would be screaming from the rooftops about 'stitch-ups' and that very 'control freakery' had there been any influence exerted. As for a dearth of talent, I agree but that criticism could be applied across all political parties on these islands - they have become a haven for over-promoted bag carriers and former backroom operatives devoid of life experiences outside the political and media bubble. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Forbes is on Maternity Leave - will she be prepared to put the hours required into the role and miss out on the early years of her child? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 13 hours ago, alta-pete said: I’m picking up quite a bit of religious intolerance towards Kate Forbes based solely on her faith. Humza has a faith that doesn’t always align with ‘liberal progressive’ views (whatever they might be)?. Yet no-one wants to challenge that? That's the tolerant bigots for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Brown was on the radio this morning backing Humza, it wasnt very convincing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orfc Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 9 hours ago, Londonwell said: Secondly, there’s a bit of a dearth of talent at the top end of the party. Nicky wanted compliance not competition. No surprise the ones with brains got chased out or marginalised, and this is what you're left with as a result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Forbes supposedly announcing her candidacy today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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