AJF Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, stressball said: It’s application of excessive force to a spectator, they’re an individual that is watching the game and thus the expected amount of force applied to them deliberately is zero. I’m not sure how you can’t see that other than it’s a Rangers player. I’d be fuming if a Celtic player acted like such a stupid dick and put himself in a position to be sent off… Instead of saying it was great and patting him on the back. 2 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: I've read that. And I just disagree with your reading of the laws of the game. Kicking the ball at kids in the crowd is excessive force against a spectator. It's bizarre to even argue it, but you will. Had he been trying to get the ball off a spectator and wrestled him to the ground, then we could argue about whether the force was excessive. But that's not what happened. There was no justification for what he did at all. He's a ned and should have been sent off. It made no difference to the game, but it's a very hard gig to argue he should have stayed on. But the law specifically includes actions against spectators stating it requires excessive force to be considered violent conduct. He chipped the ball into the crowd, it’s not hurt anyone and it’s not excessive. It’s not a red and apparently it was reviewed by VAR at the time who deemed it not worthy of any further action. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, AJF said: But the law specifically includes actions against spectators stating it requires excessive force to be considered violent conduct. He chipped the ball into the crowd, it’s not hurt anyone and it’s not excessive. It’s not a red and apparently it was reviewed by VAR at the time who deemed it not worthy of any further action. Ok, so what was the acceptable level of force he was permitted to use against those spectators? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stressball Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, AJF said: But the law specifically includes actions against spectators stating it requires excessive force to be considered violent conduct. He chipped the ball into the crowd, it’s not hurt anyone and it’s not excessive. It’s not a red and apparently it was reviewed by VAR at the time who deemed it not worthy of any further action. It’s okay to be wrong mate. It’s a deliberate act against a spectator. A spectators expected amount of force is zero. VAR also wrongly sent Nicky Clark off 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betting competition Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 17 hours ago, Mr. X said: Apparently allocations were agreed with Arse Cheeks before the beginning of the season. Considering you can sell out your ground that is disappointing. Hopefully next season you give them 600 like everyone else and I can't wait to the see the Arse cheeks media reports on that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Ok, so what was the acceptable level of force he was permitted to use against those spectators? 9 minutes ago, stressball said: It’s okay to be wrong mate. It’s a deliberate act against a spectator. A spectators expected amount of force is zero. VAR also wrongly sent Nicky Clark off I never argued it wasn’t deliberate, I argued it wasn’t excessive force. I thinks that’s where we will need to agree to disagree on our interpretation of excessive force. You believe any force in this instance is excessive, I believe chipping the ball into the crowd is not excessive force and we will leave it at that. I think either of those fans in that front row would have a hard time arguing Barisic had behaved violently towards them. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stressball Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Just now, AJF said: I never argued it wasn’t deliberate, I argued it wasn’t excessive force. I thinks that’s where we will need to agree to disagree on our interpretation of excessive force. You believe any force in this instance is excessive, I believe chipping the ball into the crowd is not excessive force and we will leave it at that. I think either of those fans in that front row would have a hard time arguing Barisic had behaved violently towards them. What amount of force would you see as being allowed to be applied to yourself at a football game? Would you be okay with the ball being deliberately and unexpectedly chipped at your face? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 7 hours ago, AJF said: Big fan of this from Barisic Hearts fans in those front rows always seem to dish it out. Glad they got a bit upset at this. Serves them right 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 7 hours ago, Insert Amusing Pseudonym said: Should have been sent off for that tbh Surely the victim , or a.n. other , can complain to the polis Breach of the peace , if not assault. I cannot believe he will get away with it ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 55 minutes ago, AJF said: it was reviewed by VAR at the time who deemed it not worthy of any further action. To the shock of absolutely nobody. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin McCann Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 The gap between 2nd and 3rd was enourmous last night. Pretty depressing from a diddy point of view. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afc_blockhead Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 10 hours ago, Stylish Kid said: It's twice. Sorry to be pedantic. Ah that makes all the difference! One back to back top 3 premier league finish in around 60 years though. Third force! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 8 hours ago, AJF said: Force really does have everything to do with it. It needs to be considered using excessive force or brutality, which it was neither. It’s undoubtedly a red card. He shouldn’t be kicking the ball into the crowd in an attempt to hit a spectator, so by definition in order to do that the force used has to be deemed “excessive”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_A Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 10 hours ago, lennyzer0 said: (Rangers literally spent more on Tuesday on players than Hearts have spent in their entire history combined). Hearts haven't spent more than €1.5m in their history ? That seems completely made up pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Super_A said: Hearts haven't spent more than €1.5m in their history ? That seems completely made up pish. I think he was going for sevco fishing exercise meaning they haven’t spent that much since 2012 Edited February 2, 2023 by AJF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 39 minutes ago, Super_A said: Hearts haven't spent more than €1.5m in their history ? That seems completely made up pish. Not so much made up as I had it in my head that Rangers paid £3.5 million for that Belgian bloke not £1.5 million. but you can change 'on Tuesday' to, say, 'pretty much any close season' and the point works fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, AJF said: I think he was going for sevco fishing exercise meaning they haven’t spent that much since 2012 Oh, I really wasn't. That's a load of tedious bollocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 I don’t know if it’s a red card, but it’s pretty telling that rangers fans can just find it funny and a wind up and not have to worry that he’d get himself in bother. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 minute ago, lennyzer0 said: Not so much made up as I had it in my head that Rangers paid £3.5 million for that Belgian bloke not £1.5 million. but you can change 'on Tuesday' to, say, 'pretty much any close season' and the point works fine. Obviously your point still stands, but Boyce, Shankland, Grant, Kio, Sibbick, Rowles, Devlin, Atkinson all cost 6 figure fees. That's well over a million there on the current squad alone. I'm not even 100% sure you'd even have to go as far back as the Romanov era to get to £3.5m. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 It's a nothing situation IMO and all very petty. But I have no doubt that a player for a club like Hibs or Aberdeen would have been slammed for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Austin McCann said: The gap between 2nd and 3rd was enourmous last night. Pretty depressing from a diddy point of view. Yet the gap between 2nd and 4th/5th/6th/7th etc. hasn't looked nearly as big as that in recent months. They're clearly a much better team who played well and might have given us a doing anyway, but last night is what happens when you play into their hands to an almost comical degree. It's not even as if that's a set-up we've been playing against the lesser teams in the league and it got found out against better opposition last night. It was completely out of the blue. I'd calmed down about it today but seeing Neilson (as usual) shifting the blame has me seething again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.