NHS Reform

[welshbairn]

43 minutes ago, Aufc said:

I don’t class people with drug or alcohol problems in the same category. These people have an addiction and need help. The majority of obese people just need to make simple changes to their lifestyle and be accountable for it. 

 

Food addictions are just as real.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

11 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Ah, but that affects thin people too, so is therefore grossly unfair.

I know (I think) that you are joking - but being thin does not necessarily mean you are healthier.

[Dan Steele]

1 hour ago, Aufc said:

we are also partly to blame for the state of it as many people have no interest of being healthy knowing they will get treated for free for any ailments.

That is a ridiculous statement.

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, Aufc said:

I don’t class people with drug or alcohol problems in the same category. These people have an addiction and need help. The majority of obese people just need to make simple changes to their lifestyle and be accountable for it. 
 

Being healthy is a necessity. Having free health care because you choose not be healthy is not a necessity 

You’re a hypocrite.

The biggest cause of high blood pressure in Scotland is supporting Airdrie.

Supporting Airdrie is also the biggest cause of alcoholism and drug abuse.

There is no justification for disparaging one group and not the other.

 

[Paco]

Fatties generally die young which in the long-term saves a fortune on state pension, housing benefit and the inevitable slew of health problems that come with old age anyway. 
 

It’s a surprise I know, but a BMI-based cull won’t achieve a great deal.  

[BFTD]

17 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Food addictions are just as real.

The posters who normally complain about fatties on here will not accept that, and will quote science.

I'd be curious to know how many of them have been bloaters themselves, and spend their lives constantly fighting the urge to consume, say, sugar. They always seem so confident about willpower that they must have personal experience.

15 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

I know (I think) that you are joking - but being thin does not necessarily mean you are healthier.

Those damned bulimics & anorexics, refusing to be responsible for their own health by forcing down appropriate meals.

(yes, I am kidding, those are horrible conditions)

[welshbairn]

11 minutes ago, Paco said:

Fatties generally die young which in the long-term saves a fortune on state pension, housing benefit and the inevitable slew of health problems that come with old age anyway. 
 

It’s a surprise I know, but a BMI-based cull won’t achieve a great deal.  

As do smokers but do we get any thanks for it? On the contrary we get taxed to the hilt and shunned from indoor society.

[BFTD]

2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

As do smokers but do we get any thanks for it? On the contrary we get taxed to the hilt and shunned from indoor society.

We'd like you better if you'd stop dropping fag ends all over the place, you filthy monster.

TBF, I've sympathy for the argument that unhealthy food should be taxed like tobacco, but the folk who hate fatties usually come over all libertarian when that's mentioned. Apparently action should only be taken if it doesn't affect their entirely sensible and moderate consumption.

[KingRocketman II]

15 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

I would wager that a huge percentage of Britons still think the NHS is the best in the world.

Deluded.

I have had two experiences of the NHS. 5 years ago, my mum being diagnosed with cancer - she received v good care and reasonably quick access to consultants, resulting in a successful operation. 

Myself, two months ago, ruptured my patella tendon and fractured my patella on the "sports field". Into QEUH Glasgow A&E at about 4pm on the Friday, got an x-ray within the hour, problem diagnosed, in a hospital bed/my own room that night, op scheduled fo the Saturday - it slipped to the Sunday - and discharged on the Monday. Follow up consultants and physio appointments planned and met to date. Recovery going v well. 

I am aware of the pressures in other parts of the NHS and anecdotal/twitter criticisms would seem to point to significant waiting lists for various treatments/assessments and not every one seen v quickly in A&E; but in terms of first hand experience of the Scottish NHS or Greater Glasgow NHS, then my personal assessment is that it was excellent. 

[Aufc]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Food addictions are just as real.

 

2 hours ago, BFTD said:

The posters who normally complain about fatties on here will not accept that, and will quote science.

I'd be curious to know how many of them have been bloaters themselves, and spend their lives constantly fighting the urge to consume, say, sugar. They always seem so confident about willpower that they must have personal experience.

Those damned bulimics & anorexics, refusing to be responsible for their own health by forcing down appropriate meals.

(yes, I am kidding, those are horrible conditions)

I forgot that hamburgers have the same addictive qualities as tobacco, alcohol and cocaine. 

[BFTD]

Telt ye.

[welshbairn]

11 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

I forgot that hamburgers have the same addictive qualities as tobacco, alcohol and cocaine. 

If addiction was primarily physical you could cure everyone just by locking them in their room for a month. 

[BFTD]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

If addiction was primarily physical you could cure everyone just by locking them in their room for a month. 

It's our fault for being inferior quality people and not having discipline.

[tamthebam]

8 hours ago, welshbairn said:

If addiction was primarily physical you could cure everyone just by locking them in their room for a month. 

Folk would just get addicted to something else

Although having hairy palms might help with the fuel crisis 

[Dan Steele]

All the talk of NHS reform is secondary to the main aim of this Tory government's NHS policy of systematically driving it to the point of no return to allow privatisation to run riot. It is their aim, underpins Tory ideology and it's going to take quite a change to turn this around. Any bleating from Tories about any damage being done with strikes and its impact on patients is empty rhetoric. They don't give a shit about the human cost.

[Dawson Park Boy]

6 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said:

All the talk of NHS reform is secondary to the main aim of this Tory government's NHS policy of systematically driving it to the point of no return to allow privatisation to run riot. It is their aim, underpins Tory ideology and it's going to take quite a change to turn this around. Any bleating from Tories about any damage being done with strikes and its impact on patients is empty rhetoric. They don't give a shit about the human cost.

The NHS in Scotland is run wholly by the SNP SG and people are going private simply because they need medical care which the NHS can’t deliver. There is no great political conspiracy going on here. It is simply happening because of need.

Individuals will always find a way to get what they want.

[Dan Steele]

3 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

The NHS in Scotland is run wholly by the SNP SG and people are going private simply because they need medical care which the NHS can’t deliver. There is no great political conspiracy going on here. It is simply happening because of need.

Individuals will always find a way to get what they want.

I get that there will always be people in the position of getting what they want but I'm more concerned with people getting what they need. Not everyone is in the fortunate position of being able to afford private hospital work. I think it's undeniable that a main thrust of Tory ideology is privatisation where possible. That the SNHS can, with limited resources, recognise the problems and mitigate the worst is appreciated, I'm sure. But if any Westminster government decides to slash their Health budget (any department budget) does that not then impact on Barnett? Which then makes 'mitigation' of policies which run against the SG way forward even more difficult.

[Dawson Park Boy]

12 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said:

I get that there will always be people in the position of getting what they want but I'm more concerned with people getting what they need. Not everyone is in the fortunate position of being able to afford private hospital work. I think it's undeniable that a main thrust of Tory ideology is privatisation where possible. That the SNHS can, with limited resources, recognise the problems and mitigate the worst is appreciated, I'm sure. But if any Westminster government decides to slash their Health budget (any department budget) does that not then impact on Barnett? Which then makes 'mitigation' of policies which run against the SG way forward even more difficult.

The SG, if it so desires, can keep increasing taxes as we have just seen. 
Bear in mind, through Barnett it receives much more per person than most of the other countries and regions of the UK.

Sorry, far too easy to blame the Tories.

A good friend of ours is seeing a surgeon today privately because she can barely walk due to requiring a new hip.

She is NOT well off but waiting 2/3 years on the NHS is not an option at the age of 80.. If she opts to go ahead this will cost her £15 to £20k, a good part of her life savings.
What is your idealistic socialist solution for her, today?

 

 

 

[Jacksgranda]

21 hours ago, KingRocketman II said:

I have had two experiences of the NHS. 5 years ago, my mum being diagnosed with cancer - she received v good care and reasonably quick access to consultants, resulting in a successful operation. 

Myself, two months ago, ruptured my patella tendon and fractured my patella on the "sports field". Into QEUH Glasgow A&E at about 4pm on the Friday, got an x-ray within the hour, problem diagnosed, in a hospital bed/my own room that night, op scheduled fo the Saturday - it slipped to the Sunday - and discharged on the Monday. Follow up consultants and physio appointments planned and met to date. Recovery going v well. 

I am aware of the pressures in other parts of the NHS and anecdotal/twitter criticisms would seem to point to significant waiting lists for various treatments/assessments and not every one seen v quickly in A&E; but in terms of first hand experience of the Scottish NHS or Greater Glasgow NHS, then my personal assessment is that it was excellent. 

My experience of the NHS, both in relation to myself and my extended family, has also been excellent.

[Dawson Park Boy]

14 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

My experience of the NHS, both in relation to myself and my extended family, has also been excellent.

I think we would agree that if you have an accident or an emergency then, yes, I too have had no problems with the NHS.

The problems relate to elective surgery and the enormous waiting times which are totally unacceptable.