ICTChris Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) I think quite a lot of people earning the salary range mentioned above will be the people who are moving to new build developments in Fife, West Lothian etc. Edited December 15, 2022 by ICTChris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford prefect Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Maybe we should go in line with the rest of the UK. Bring back prescription charges, stop free bus passes for kids, free school meals and allow universities to charge up to 9000 per year? Surely stopping that waste of money would help us not to have to increase tax? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 49 minutes ago, ford prefect said: Maybe we should go in line with the rest of the UK. Bring back prescription charges, stop free bus passes for kids, free school meals and allow universities to charge up to 9000 per year? Surely stopping that waste of money would help us not to have to increase tax? Yes, good idea. Always better to pay for your own things than rely on the state. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Yes, good idea. Always better to pay for your own things than rely on the state. The very definition of “trying too hard”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 39 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Yes, good idea. Always better to pay for your own things than rely on the state. Do you abide by your own principles & refuse your state pension? Spoiler Thought not 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 hour ago, strichener said: Another day, another broken SNP manifesto commitment. Another day, another predictably pointless post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 5 hours ago, FFCinthearea said: I% is still 1% that won't make it's way into an already shattered economy. Is it fair that someone in Scotland earning £25k is paying 2% more than the rest of the UK? They're not exactly high earners FFS. It doesn't seem fair at all. Although someone in Scotland earning £25k pays less income tax than someone in the rest of the UK so perhaps you should direct your scorn towards Westminster. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 54 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Do you abide by your own principles & refuse your state pension? Reveal hidden contents Thought not No. Paid for it may times over. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: No. Paid for it may times over. If that's true, you've also paid for your prescriptions, over 60's bus pass and any free school meals you ever had many times over? Somehow, I'm not convinced that you attended University, but if you did, you've also paid for that many times over. Why do you consider the "many times over" argument to only apply to one benefit, which coincidentally we all know you currently receive? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 48 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Another day, another predictably pointless post. Nobody made you do it but whatever keeps you happy in your retirement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Quitely Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Yes, good idea. Always better to pay for your own things than rely on the state. If only that had applied to the banking industry in 2008, and probably in future too following Jeremy Hunt's idiotic announcement last week of a relaxation in the rules. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Anybody paying the extra amount needing to cut back on meals out, holidays, pints, or downsize house or car as a direct result of this? Thought not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: No. Paid for it may times over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Any middle earners worried about feeling the pinch should simply cancel their Netflix subscription and learn to budget a bit better. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: Any middle earners worried about feeling the pinch should simply cancel their Netflix subscription and learn to budget a bit better. Maybe cut down on the Starbucks as well, imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 12 hours ago, Frankie S said: I said during Covid that I’d be broadly in favour of paying more income tax if it was ring-fenced for the NHS, which Swinney has assured us will be the case (let’s hope so). There’s no doubt though that middle earners are being squeezed hard up here compared to our English counterparts. The higher rate threshold has been frozen for years in Scotland, and it’s not just an additional 1%, taking us up to 42% v 40% in England: Scots taxpayers will pay an effective rate of 54% (42% income tax and 12% NIC) on earnings between £43,663 and £50,271 compared to an effective rate of 32% for our counterparts south of the border (20% income tax and 12% NIC), a 22% difference in that band, which is a huge disparity. 43k might represent a large salary in some areas, but in areas of the Central Belt such as Edinburgh, where property prices have always been sky high, and mortgages correspondingly more burdensome, 43k spreads rather thinner than elsewhere. It’s certainly a bold move, and Scotland’s increasingly ageing population and relatively high level of welfare dependancy clearly requires a higher tax burden, though it certainly won’t make us any more competitive in the jobs marketplace. I have said previously in this topic that i dont mind paying the extra tax. However, i wish the governments would actually address the larger issues such as obesity and corruption rather than just simply say "lets increase taxes". At some point, there is a limit as to what you can tax people. As you mention, we have an ageing population and a finite number of higher rate taxpayers and our productivity lags behind the rest of the Europe. So they either need to get us working harder (almost impossible to do) or encourage more higher rate taxpayers to come to work in Scotland (since we are currently part of the uk then ill add them into this as well, however, since the tories are becoming even more right wing then its hard to see the second part happening). Whilst we can offer people almost certainly a better quality of life, money talks for a lot of people and they tax disparity could see them decide to work elsewhere/in england 12 hours ago, virginton said: Perhaps people on 150% of the average salary could choose *not* to live in Edinburgh then. And then its stupidly overheated property market will adjust downwards accordingly. This argument frustrates me. Whilst someone on £45k a year earns a decent sum compared to a lot of people, they are hardly rich. Throw in the fact that their electric costs have almost certainly increased substantially, their mortgage rate possibly as well (if they can even afford a mortgage in edinburgh) alongside every other cost. There are also many reasons why someone may earn £50k and live in Edinburgh. If they move out of Edinburgh as you say then it might introduce extra costs such as having to run a car or additional travel costs, additional childcare costs etc. Its not really as black and white as you suggesting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 "The NHS is broken"........"f**k paying an extra penny on anything I earn above £43k for a better NHS" Pretty much the same people making both statements laughably. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 If the Scottish Government had full fiscal autonomy they might not have had to raise income tax for some folk. Just a thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: If the Scottish Government had full fiscal autonomy they might not have had to raise income tax for some folk. Just a thought. They would though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I would hipe an independent Scotland with full fiscal levers would still have a tax system that looks like this as a bare minimum. To put this into real numbers someone on 50k a year will be about 6 quid a month worse off. 100k a year 47.50 a month worse off. I'll get excited when then government implement a 90% inheritance tax and confiscate second properties 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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