The Official ‘Hi-Risk Anus PM’ Clusterfuck Thread

[Dink]

Of course public sector pay isn't going rise by 10%, but the Scottish Government's budgets isn't rising by anything near the pay increases that they are giving out. They can't magic money out of nowhere and they can't change the tax rates in year so the only way that they can afford the rises they are giving is by taking the money from other spending commitments.

[KingRocketman II]

48 minutes ago, Jedi said:

The Tories are now squeezing their own support base with mortgage hikes, as well as tax rises and austerity to come (which hits most people, aside from the super wealthy). 

Meanwhile in Scotland, Swinney axes £1 billion from public services, and the future SNP prospectus for Independence (in their view) remains deep cuts to the public sector budget for the first 10 years or so.

Really just depends if you like your austerity wearing a blue rosette or a yellow one.

1Where are the SG re-directing the £1 billion they have elected to "axe" from public services? What devolved area of their budget is receiving this £1 billion windfall? 

[Brother Blades]

12 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Really?..so public sector pay is going to rise by 10%..Don't think so.

The 'nothing to do with me, it's all Westminster' from 'honest' John (despite Scotland having control over its income tax bands and rates).

It's a 'political' choice on the part of the SNP. As a party which is pro-big business and private sector, it makes sense for them to go after the public sector instead.Otherwise why would they be proposing such deep cuts to public services when Scotland 'does' have the full levers of financial control post-Independence? Despite the B of E still calling the shots, mind you.

Mate, give it a rest. Many posters on here have openly admitted that the SNP are far from perfect & are seen as a means to an end for the majority (or close to) of Independence supporters on the forum. Your constant “SNP baaaaaaad” has been heard loud & clear, we get it. 
Any rebuttals to SNP policy or governance are in the most part honest & a reflection of the true nature of SG powers under the current devolution imposition & attacking the SNP for at least trying to mitigate the worst of Westminster’s decisions impact on the Scottish public isn’t really the win you may think it is.

I understand that you are a huge fan of Keith & Labour in general, it’s a fair enough view to have, but wild speculation about how the UK would look under Labour which in some cases in in direct opposition to what they actually say is foolish on your part. 

There are numerous reasons that Independence supporters (previously Labour voters & in some cases members & indeed councillors) will NEVER vote Labour again or certainly not until we are Independent & they get rid of the current cabal. 
I feel a fresh thread coming on…..

[Granny Danger]

9 minutes ago, Brother Blades said:

Mate, give it a rest. Many posters on here have openly admitted that the SNP are far from perfect & are seen as a means to an end for the majority (or close to) of Independence supporters on the forum. Your constant “SNP baaaaaaad” has been heard loud & clear, we get it. 
Any rebuttals to SNP policy or governance are in the most part honest & a reflection of the true nature of SG powers under the current devolution imposition & attacking the SNP for at least trying to mitigate the worst of Westminster’s decisions impact on the Scottish public isn’t really the win you may think it is.

I understand that you are a huge fan of Keith & Labour in general, it’s a fair enough view to have, but wild speculation about how the UK would look under Labour which in some cases in in direct opposition to what they actually say is foolish on your part. 

There are numerous reasons that Independence supporters (previously Labour voters & in some cases members & indeed councillors) will NEVER vote Labour again or certainly not until we are Independent & they get rid of the current cabal. 
I feel a fresh thread coming on…..

All very eloquent, but you’re asking a troll to stop trolling and I think you know how pointless that is.

[Guest Jedi]

Pointless is the operative word.

As ever, criticism of Tory, Labour.....cheered by the gallery

Any questioning of any moves by the Scot govt, asking any questions about Independence...trolling.

 

[Florentine_Pogen]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/03/just-when-refugees-thought-manston-couldnt-get-any-worse-here-comes-leaky-sue

"It never rains … Rishi Sunak must have been hoping for at least one day when his home secretary didn’t dominate the headlines. He could just about cope with her being malicious and vindictive. What he hadn’t banked on was her being hopeless with it.

So there was no chance for Rish! to plan ahead for his day trip to Cop27 on Monday. Not that he needed time to mug up on climate change. He’d already made clear he had little interest in that. No, his main concern was that he got more photo ops with other world leaders than his arch-rival, Boris Johnson. Hint: that just wasn’t going to happen.

Even though Macron, Biden and co know The Convict is totally amoral, they’d rather spend time with him than with a no mark like Sunak. Someone who couldn’t be counted on to still be in office by Christmas. The UK is now officially a world laughing stock. Here’s the thing. While there may be any number of Tory multiverses where manifesto promises are both kept and broken, there are none in which the government is even halfway competent. A connecting synapse in cabinet is a wish too far. We have gone from full on Trussterfuck to completely Sunakered in a heartbeat."

[scottsdad]

20 hours ago, Clown Job said:

In all seriousness can anyone point out one thing that has improved in the UK since 2010?

You mean...

Spoiler

since we last had a Labour government?

 

[Clown Job]

 

[Granny Danger]

2 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

 

I had to access the Spanish health care system for routine purposes yesterday for the first time.  All very efficient and pleasant.

 

[Dawson Park Boy]

14 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

 

Yes, the NHS is useless.

Rather than report something we all know, what’s your solution?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Really?..so public sector pay is going to rise by 10%..Don't think so.
The 'nothing to do with me, it's all Westminster' from 'honest' John (despite Scotland having control over its income tax bands and rates).
It's a 'political' choice on the part of the SNP. As a party which is pro-big business and private sector, it makes sense for them to go after the public sector instead.Otherwise why would they be proposing such deep cuts to public services when Scotland 'does' have the full levers of financial control post-Independence? Despite the B of E still calling the shots, mind you.

Without full fiscal autonomy a Scottish Government of any political colour would have to implement cuts.

[carpetmonster]

10 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Yes, the NHS is useless.

Rather than report something we all know, what’s your solution?

Stop trying to dismantle it, and make the country less of a flaming shitfire so it’s more attractive to immigrant labour. 
 

So stuff that isn’t going to happen. 

[Billy Jean King]

Yes, the NHS is useless.
Rather than report something we all know, what’s your solution?

I'm not sure the FT journos read the Politics forum on PnB but let's see if they respond to you.

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Braverman should be away will Sir Gavin pip her to the post and be the first to get his jotters?

[Dawson Park Boy]

11 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

25 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Yes, the NHS is useless.
Rather than report something we all know, what’s your solution?

I'm not sure the FT journos read the Politics forum on PnB but let's see if they respond to you.

Well, stats show that most other countries have better outcomes than us so that’s a good place to start.

The likes of France and Germany seem to have a partly public/partly private system which works better than our wholly public system.

Lets examine those systems and see if we can learn from them.

[btb]

11 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Well, stats show that most other countries have better outcomes than us so that’s a good place to start.

The likes of France and Germany seem to have a partly public/partly private system which works better than our wholly public system.

Lets examine those systems and see if we can learn from them.

We don't have a wholly public system.

[Dawson Park Boy]

30 minutes ago, btb said:

We don't have a wholly public system.

Only because the public system is so poor that people are forced to go private.

Thank goodness we do have a private sector which can offer services the NHS can’t.

There should be a system whereby, if the NHS can’t do your elective procedure within a set timescale then the patient should go private and the NHS pays for it.  I actually thought we had something like that but from what I hear anecdotally it only actually happens occasionally.

[Brother Blades]

1 minute ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Only because the public system is so poor that people are forced to go private.

Thank goodness we do have a private sector which can offer services the NHS can’t.

There should be a system whereby, if the NHS can’t do your elective procedure within a set timescale then the patient should go private and the NHS pays for it.  I actually thought we had something like that but from what I hear anecdotally it only actually happens occasionally.

What the actual f**k? You do realise that the majority of private health is conducted by NHS surgeons & doctors & anaesthetists? 

[scottsdad]

6 minutes ago, Brother Blades said:

What the actual f**k? You do realise that the majority of private health is conducted by NHS surgeons & doctors & anaesthetists? 

And second hand NHS equipment.

A schoolfriend of mine worked for a company that serviced hospital machines. NHS ones were shiny, new and calibrated. Private ones were old NHS versions bought on the cheap.

[Dawson Park Boy]

6 minutes ago, Brother Blades said:

What the actual f**k? You do realise that the majority of private health is conducted by NHS surgeons & doctors & anaesthetists? 

Yes, and why shouldn’t they?

Its a free country and presumably they fulfil their NHS obligations.

Absolutely no reason for anyone not to do some extra work out with the NHS.
The private sector is expanding and quite a few surgeons in specialised areas have gone wholly private.

Its all down to market forces and quite correct too.

If the NHS can’t function properly, others will do so.