welshbairn Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Between now and the GE I think there will be big changes that we don’t necessarily foresee at the moment. The current Tory party is indeed imploding and I can see lots of traditional Tories like myself forming a new right of centre party, possibly under Nigel Farage. What we currently have is Labour lite. Labour should do well and will probably win. Apart from anything else, change is needed. There are so many unresolved problems. On Scotland, the SNP is tired and has no ideas as to solving the shocking state of the public services. Eventually, if it’s not already happening, the public will tire of Nicola and I don’t see anyone with the ability to take them forward. This next couple of years is going to be really entertaining. Aye, it will be popcorn! Tories at 20% and Farage's Reform Party taking votes off them! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 37 minutes ago, GTG_03 said: I could see this happening, I could also see labour and conservatives refusing to work with the SNP and going back to the electorate until one or the other get what they want. I just don't think either party will accept being beholden to 'the jocks'. The Tories could maybe afford to run two or three GE campaigns back-to-back and even then they’d struggle financially. There’s no way Labour could afford to. If Labour had a chance to form a government and oust the Tories and they passed up on that chance I’m not sure how Labour voters would react, particularly as English Labour voters probably don’t care in the slightest about Scottish Independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, GTG_03 said: I could see this happening, I could also see labour and conservatives refusing to work with the SNP and going back to the electorate until one or the other get what they want. I just don't think either party will accept being beholden to 'the jocks'. What would be really interesting would be if as usual Sinn Fein didn't take up their seats and a combination of Labour and SNP/Plaid Cymru MPs could outvote Tory, Ulster Unionists and Liberal ones but not do so without them. No deals Starmer? Aye, right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: The current Tory party is indeed imploding and I can see lots of traditional Tories like myself forming a new right of centre party, possibly under Nigel Farage. A bit curious about what you see as traditional conservatism, Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell more so than Harold MacMillan, Edward Heath and John Major presumably, along with Margaret Thatcher who forced through the EU single market to cut out red tape for business? Edited November 27, 2022 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 17 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Between now and the GE I think there will be big changes that we don’t necessarily foresee at the moment. The current Tory party is indeed imploding and I can see lots of traditional Tories like myself forming a new right of centre party, possibly under Nigel Farage. What we currently have is Labour lite. Labour should do well and will probably win. Apart from anything else, change is needed. There are so many unresolved problems. On Scotland, the SNP is tired and has no ideas as to solving the shocking state of the public services. Eventually, if it’s not already happening, the public will tire of Nicola and I don’t see anyone with the ability to take them forward. This next couple of years is going to be really entertaining. 7 hours ago, welshbairn said: A bit curious about what you see as traditional conservatism, Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell more so than Harold MacMillan, Edward Heath and John Major presumably, along with Margaret Thatcher who forced through the EU single market to cut out red tape for business? Basically was gonna say the same as WB, for all i hate the tories, the ‘modern’ tory is far more on the extremes in terms of policies than ‘traditional’ conservatism. Also pishing myself laughing at the thought of Nigel Farage being considered centre right. If Nigel Farage is centre right then Mosley was a Socialist. Genuine lolz. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 It's right wing populism he's after rather than 'traditional conservatism'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Stringer Bell said: It's right wing populism he's after rather than 'traditional conservatism'. Did a course at Uni a few years ago on Nationalism and the professor expressed a lot of the links between right wing populism and nationalism. Thankfully he wasn't using Scotland as an example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 21 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: The current Tory party is indeed imploding and I can see lots of traditional Tories like myself forming a new right of centre party, possibly under Nigel Farage. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 22 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Between now and the GE I think there will be big changes that we don’t necessarily foresee at the moment. The current Tory party is indeed imploding and I can see lots of traditional Tories like myself forming a new right of centre party, possibly under Nigel Farage. What we currently have is Labour lite. Labour should do well and will probably win. Apart from anything else, change is needed. There are so many unresolved problems. On Scotland, the SNP is tired and has no ideas as to solving the shocking state of the public services. Eventually, if it’s not already happening, the public will tire of Nicola and I don’t see anyone with the ability to take them forward. This next couple of years is going to be really entertaining. The public, not being composed entirely of simpletons, may well tire of Nicola, but show no signs of ceasing to vote for Scotland's, for the most part successful and competent, party of government. We, thank Satan, don't have a presidential system. We vote for parties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 12 hours ago, welshbairn said: A bit curious about what you see as traditional conservatism, Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell more so than Harold MacMillan, Edward Heath and John Major presumably, along with Margaret Thatcher who forced through the EU single market to cut out red tape for business? "Traditional conservatism" means whatever Heil editorial writers want it to mean this week. Pick and choose from kicking the foreigners out, fellating billionaires (who just happen to own newspapers), wading through a particular variety of blood, following the Yanks on their exciting overseas adventures etc etc. I'm holding out for the reinstatement of the Corn Laws myself. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) Guardian from C4 News. Edited November 29, 2022 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/30/rishi-sunaks-honeymoon-period-has-become-a-shipwreck "Rish! radiates privilege and indifference. Not that he doesn’t sometimes say the right things. Just that he never manages to do so in a way with which normal people can connect. There is no empathy. It’s as if the UK is a social science experiment and we are all his lab rats. He is the Goldman Sachs tech bro who can only talk in hollow soundbites from a management consultant’s training manual. We’ve reached the point where Sunak is almost guaranteed to give the wrong response – the tone deaf response – to any given question. Which is why he’s been dying on his feet at every prime minister’s questions. So much for a new leader getting a honeymoon period in the Commons. All that Rish! can look forward to on a Wednesday is having his arse handed to him on a plate." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 5, 2022 Author Share Posted December 5, 2022 The wee man performs another U-turn. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/dec/05/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-labour-conservatives-brexit-latest-updates ”In office but not in power” indeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Sky News: Hancock standing down as MP Eta: at next GN Edited December 7, 2022 by Hedgecutter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 On 05/12/2022 at 18:03, Granny Danger said: The wee man performs another U-turn. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/dec/05/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-labour-conservatives-brexit-latest-updates ”In office but not in power” indeed. Excellent work by the Tories. This should protect house prices and rents. If poor people have to live under bridges or in parks then that’s a price worth paying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 6 hours ago, Hedgecutter said: Sky News: Hancock standing down as MP Eta: at next GN Only because he was told he wouldn't be selected... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Piece of advice for wee Hi Risk - see instead of threatening to outlaw the right to strike, have a look through all the c***s that took advantage of the VIP lane and get the stolen money back. That vacuous bint will just be the tip of the iceberg. But then, Hi Risk knows this - just not keen on closing doors for corrupt wankers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 My Union has the same number of members as the Conservative Party and it's not even one of the biggest. So in Sunak's version of democracy they get to choose the Prime Minister and we get our wages cut. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 10, 2022 Author Share Posted December 10, 2022 This should bring a smile to your face on a Saturday: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/senior-tory-mps-privately-admit-theyre-going-to-lose-the-next-general-election_uk_638e151ae4b0ca11e414fc11 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 11, 2022 Author Share Posted December 11, 2022 Even the BBC admit that Sunak is a lying c**t. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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