Gordopolis Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) Had the idea to start this thread months ago and kept getting sidetracked. Anyway, finally got round to putting together this wee table of players who have refused international selection for one reason or another. These are just the names that came to mind initially. I'm certain there are others, so please post suggestions. Also, any other fields I could add to the table? ^^^tried pasting the table into the post so it was a bit bigger and easier to read, but on mobile it didn't render as a table, hence screenshot as an alternative. Edited October 13, 2022 by Gordopolis 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) Andy Goram (1) and Andy Goram (2) is *chefs kiss* Not sure if it counts as he still travelled to play in the San Marino game a few days later but Ryan Fraser refused to be selected for Kazakhstan because they played on an artificial surface. He did later play for Scotland on an artificial surface away to the Faroe Islands. Edit - It was readable before the edit to put up a screenshot, now it's tiny even when zoomed in. Edited October 13, 2022 by Pie Of The Month 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Pie Of The Month said: Andy Goram (1) and Andy Goram (2) is *chefs kiss* Not sure if it counts as he still travelled to play in the San Marino game a few days later but Ryan Fraser refused to be selected for Kazakhstan because they played on an artificial surface. He did later play for Scotland on an artificial surface away to the Faroe Islands. Edit - It was readable before the edit to put up a screenshot, now it's tiny even when zoomed in. Yep, I'm having a mare. F*cking hate technology. Any better now? Edited October 13, 2022 by Gordopolis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gordopolis said: Yep, I'm having a mare. F*cking hate technology. Any better now? Much better, I can read it again on my laptop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoonsYouthTeam Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Had no idea about the David Robertson one or Dominic Matteo.Robertson seems mad as it's not as if there weren't a few other good options there.I think the whole Ryan Fraser thing got blown out of proportion, being spotted training with Newcastle doesn't mean he was in a position to play, happy to be corrected on that.That last is also very Rangers heavy! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 There are definitely recent ones that just weren't made public. Hanley, Marshall (pre-Clarke), Tierney, Mulgrew and Steven Fletcher have all either had suspicious absences iirc or have just slinked off without any fanfare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 Had no idea about the David Robertson one or Dominic Matteo.Robertson seems mad as it's not as if there weren't a few other good options there.I think the whole Ryan Fraser thing got blown out of proportion, being spotted training with Newcastle doesn't mean he was in a position to play, happy to be corrected on that.That last is also very Rangers heavy!Yeah the Ryan Fraser one is quite tenuous. Not like he was throwing in the towel with Scotland. Just lazily dodging a game more likely.And yes the rangers heavy thing almost stopped me from posting the list in case people thought I was having a dig. Them's the facts tho! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 There are definitely recent ones that just weren't made public. Hanley, Marshall (pre-Clarke), Tierney, Mulgrew and Steven Fletcher have all either had suspicious absences iirc or have just slinked off without any fanfare. Snodgrass too I suppose And Tom Cairney was a weird one too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Gordopolis said: 3 minutes ago, accies1874 said: There are definitely recent ones that just weren't made public. Hanley, Marshall (pre-Clarke), Tierney, Mulgrew and Steven Fletcher have all either had suspicious absences iirc or have just slinked off without any fanfare. Snodgrass too I suppose Yeah I think keeping it official is best as including these guys would just make it messy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Not sure if it counts as refusing selection, but James McArthur retired in 2018 citing back problems. He was one of our better players in a pretty miserable period and even until very recently I think he'd have added value to the squad. He'd have been a far better option in central midfield than Stuart Armstrong was against the Czech Republic in the Euros for example. Also in 2018 it seemed about 95% of the squad pulled out of those Mexico/Peru friendlies. Can't blame them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Could be my memory here, but did Goram not pull out of the France 98 squad because the papers were going to town about him having paramilitary links? Anyone who pulls out of a tournament because they're not the first choice is out of their mind or stuffed up their own arse. Putting aside being a team player, the guy ahead of you in line could be injured, or have an absolute shiter in the first game and be dropped. Madness. Also, you wonder how many of these phantom call-offs come about on the order of the employer, rather than the player themselves. Was it Alan Brazil or Andy Gray who supposedly withdrew from the World Cup 78 squad because their manager told them to? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, LoonsYouthTeam said: I think the whole Ryan Fraser thing got blown out of proportion, being spotted training with Newcastle doesn't mean he was in a position to play, happy to be corrected on that. That last is also very Rangers heavy! He was then left out by Clarke for multiple squads, and the manager made some fairly pointed comments about it, so I think we can safely say he was indeed at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 James McArthur was almost exclusively pish for Scotland and was no loss at all when he retired. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, accies1874 said: There are definitely recent ones that just weren't made public. Hanley, Marshall (pre-Clarke), Tierney, Mulgrew and Steven Fletcher have all either had suspicious absences iirc or have just slinked off without any fanfare. The hallmark of the McLeish mk II era. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I'm not sure that can be applied to Mulgrew, he seems to have played fairly regularly through his career right up until the pumpings from Belgium and Russia, at which point we lost a year of international games to covid and he was 34 by the time it was done. Maybe I'm missing something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Gordopolis said: Had the idea to start this thread months ago and kept getting sidetracked. Anyway, finally got round to putting together this wee table of players who have refused international selection for one reason or another. These are just the names that came to mind initially. I'm certain there are others, so please post suggestions. Also, any other fields I could add to the table? ^^^tried pasting the table into the post so it was a bit bigger and easier to read, but on mobile it didn't render as a table, hence screenshot as alternative. Angus Gunn There must be a fair few more if you look at it from the duel nationality angle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, craigkillie said: I'm not sure that can be applied to Mulgrew, he seems to have played fairly regularly through his career right up until the pumpings from Belgium and Russia, at which point we lost a year of international games to covid and he was 34 by the time it was done. Maybe I'm missing something. I had it in my head that he pulled out of the Kazakhstan/San Marino double header before playing for his club before Kazakhstan, but that actually seems to be wrong going by Transfermarkt. Steven Fletcher did play in one of those games, though, and wasn't in the squad so that might have been who I got him mixed up with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 ) deposed Dalgleish , confirmed by David Speedie on BBC t.v. OTB. 2 ) M*J* **** took the huff because AR / CB tried out his back up strikers against San Marino 3 ) Mark McGhee , allegedly , after being " dropped " after scoring against England. 4 ) going back in time Ian St. John ( per his book ) 5 ) Anyone know anything about Ron Years allegedly criticising Jock Stein after we lost to Italy 1965/66 ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Are we counting players invited to play for Scotland but decided not to due to allegiance to other countries, whether good enough (e.g., James McCarthy ROI) or not (e.g., Harvey Barnes England)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 Are we counting players invited to play for Scotland but decided not to due to allegiance to other countries, whether good enough (e.g., James McCarthy ROI) or not (e.g., Harvey Barnes England)? Good question, think Bing was saying the same thing too.In my head it was just players who had begun their international career with us but curtailed it for reasons other than injury or becoming shite/losing form.Maybe McCarthy etc could go in a "Scotland knock backs" thread? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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