The Official Liz Truss no longer PM but still a Clusterfuck thread

[Guest Jedi]

37 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

 to justify his Tory Lite policies.  .

Which current Labour policies are Tory lite? (and it has been established that saying that the Tories have failed their (own) immigration policies for 12 years, isn't the same as dreaming of sending folk to Rwanda, nor is saying that senior politicians should be involved in negotiating pay settlements rather than standing on picket lines the same as the Tories anti-trade union policies).

Edited October 19, 2022 by Jedi

[Granny Danger]

11 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Which current Labour policies are Tory lite? (and it has been established that saying that the Tories have failed their (own) immigration policies for 12 years, isn't the same as dreaming of sending folk to Rwanda, nor is saying that senior politicians should be involved in negotiating pay settlements rather than standing on picket lines the same as the Tories anti-trade union policies).

It’s not been ‘established’ at all other than in your mind.

[Guest Jedi]

5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

It’s not been ‘established’ at all other than in your mind.

Just in my mind.......can you therefore cite Labour's current (Tory) immigration policies, and also the trade union ones?

[Guest Jedi]

Are the immigration policies (which are the same as the Tories) the ones which Yvette Cooper described as 'unworkable, unethical and extortionate in their cost to the British taxpayer' (sending people to Rwanda).?

Or Stephen Kinnock also earlier this year arguing for a 'fair, compassionate and orderly' system? 

Proposing a safer and more legal route for asylum seekers to reach the UK?

or maybe opposing the Tories Nationality and Borders Bill?

Or is the rejection of the Tories plans for offshore detention centres?

Or maybe the plan to restore the Dubs scheme, under which 3000 child asylum seekers would be allowed to come to the UK? 

Maybe the plan to try and crack down more on people smugglers?

Giving asylum seekers the right to work and have full access to public services?

Granting EU nationals the right to continue living and working in the UK?

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Jedi

[HTG]

Still parody ... but only just. 

[AFCDannyFTH]

3 hours ago, Colkitto said:

 

She showed infinitely more balls in that 14 second clip than that useless shitebag Hoyle has since he was elected. 

[Clown Job]

48 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Which current Labour policies are Tory lite? (and it has been established that saying that the Tories have failed their (own) immigration policies for 12 years, isn't the same as dreaming of sending folk to Rwanda, nor is saying that senior politicians should be involved in negotiating pay settlements rather than standing on picket lines the same as the Tories anti-trade union policies).

Brexit

[AFCDannyFTH]

 

This never gets old and the frequency of presenters/journalists doing this is fucking hilarious. 

 

[AFCDannyFTH]

1 minute ago, AFCDannyFTH said:

 

This never gets old and the frequency of presenters/journalists doing this is fucking hilarious. 

 

 

 

[BFTD]

I'm sure most of us have known someone with the surname Hunt.

In my experience, nobody accidentally called them c**t unless it was accidentally on purpose.

[williemillersmoustache]

5 hours ago, Jedi said:

Are the immigration policies (which are the same as the Tories) the ones which Yvette Cooper described as 'unworkable, unethical and extortionate in their cost to the British taxpayer' (sending people to Rwanda).?

Or Stephen Kinnock also earlier this year arguing for a 'fair, compassionate and orderly' system? 

Proposing a safer and more legal route for asylum seekers to reach the UK?

or maybe opposing the Tories Nationality and Borders Bill?

Or is the rejection of the Tories plans for offshore detention centres?

Or maybe the plan to restore the Dubs scheme, under which 3000 child asylum seekers would be allowed to come to the UK? 

Maybe the plan to try and crack down more on people smugglers?

Giving asylum seekers the right to work and have full access to public services?

Granting EU nationals the right to continue living and working in the UK?

 

You should learn that "something somebody said once" is not the same as party policy. FWIW there are clearly Labour MPs and parliamentarians who have a reasonble grasp of immigration but their voices are not forming policy.

6 hours ago, Jedi said:

Brexit: Labour proposed renegotiating May's deal in order to try to remain in the Customs Union, and then put their deal if it had ever been secured to a 2nd vote. Hardly proponents of the hard Brexit we ended up with. By the time they 'voted it through' there was no choice as a the Tory majority guaranteed the bills passage in the Commons.

Ah you've fucked up here. Party orthodoxy is Labour had to vote for the shitey deal or it would have had to have been no deal. Which also isn't true.  

And reaching back into the mists of 2018/19 to the "a" customs union versus "the" customs union without single market membership was emblematic of the problem. Labour could not commit itself to the decisions which they knew to be right for fear of upsetting their leave vote. And in the end this cowardly and nonsensical fudging offended both leave and remain. 
 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

39 minutes ago, BFTD said:

I'm sure most of us have known someone with the surname Hunt.

In my experience, nobody accidentally called them c**t unless it was accidentally on purpose.

 

[sparky88]

9 hours ago, Jedi said:

Surely Labour, the SNP and Lib Dems have to table a motion of no confidence in the govt now.

It won't win, but puts them under more pressure.

Will be interesting to see how they manage to squirm their way to changing their own rules so that their members don't get a say in their next leader. 

This would be a mistake. The other parties should leave the Tories to tear themselves apart. 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

6 hours ago, Jedi said:

don't believe in the betterment of poorer people: Setting up the NHS, the Welfare State, the Minimum Wage, Sure Start Centres, windfall taxes on the wealth of privatised companies 

Because Labour campaigned for No in 2014, and had Jim Murphy as leader then, doesn't still 8 years later make them 'just the same as the current Tory govt'.

Because Labour set up the NHS doesn't make them 80 years later the same Labour Party. 

Also you forgot that in "betterment of poorer people" they introduced ESA work capability assessments which have done immeasurable harm to the poor and disabled. 

[miketheheadlesschicken]

11 hours ago, Elixir said:

KRISHNAN!

[williemillersmoustache]

10 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

Because Labour set up the NHS doesn't make them 80 years later the same Labour Party. 

Also you forgot that in "betterment of poorer people" they introduced ESA work capability assessments which have done immeasurable harm to the poor and disabled. 

It wasn't quite the only reason of course but the knobbly kneed rickety malnourished dwarfs that defeated the nazis, only just managed it and there was a clearly idenitifed paucity of healthy fighting aged men.

They didn't do it just because they're nice. 

[101]

Looks like a right rammy

[williemillersmoustache]

3 minutes ago, 101 said:

Looks like a right rammy

Alas....

 

 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

if any one of them says we don't do walking away, then I think I'll have an orgasm

[101]

1 minute ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Alas....

 

 

Bugger, imagine having a democracy that regularly has scuffles and pretends to be world leading. When can we extract ourselves from this mess.

Also nice to hear GMS christen this "Catherine Wheel politics" a week after I did, I sincerely hope they read this thread.