Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 9 hours ago, scottsdad said: One argument for PR is Ukip. In 2015 they won more than twice as many votes as the SNP. SNP got 56 seats, Ukip got none. No fan of Ukip, but they were under represented. I dont know about that, they’re basically running the country now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Quitely Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: I dont know about that, they’re basically running the country now. UKIP and their ilk are the foot-soldiers. The much more decisive influence over Tory policy in recent years has come from once-niche libertarian economic organisations like the Institute Of Economic Affairs and the Taxpayers Alliance. And whilst a lot has involved private lobbying, they owe a debt of gratitude to the BBC in particular, with the likes of Mark Littlewood of the IEA appearing so often on TV and radio that the public gains the impression that he represents mainstream political opinion. With their philosophy now stalled at Government level it will be interesting to see the next moves from these creeps. They won't be going away that's for sure. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, scottsdad said: One argument for PR is Ukip. In 2015 they won more than twice as many votes as the SNP. SNP got 56 seats, Ukip got none. No fan of Ukip, but they were under represented. At the moment UKIP constantly threaten to split the right-wing vote, so a lot of Tory MPs have to act the part to stop that happening. Under PR, the party would have actual MPs but would have less direct access to power. Tory MPs who detest UKIP (and there are some) wouldn't have to appease them anymore. UKIP would actually lose influence. Edited October 16, 2022 by Fullerene 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 When did Jeremy Hunt become the sensible, experienced, 'steady hand' that made him first choice for chancellor? He messed up the NHS and was considered to be Murdoch-friendly. His only redeeming feature was to be pro-remain but even then he backtracked later, no doubt to protect his future in the party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 9 hours ago, welshbairn said: That's the argument against PR, why should a party who gets tiny support from nearly every constituency they stand in get represented just because they can afford loads of lost deposits? The SNP won 56 seats because more people voted for them than any other candidate in each of those 56 constituencies. UKIP couldn't manage to get even one community to vote them in. f**k them. I've no idea how PR would be implemented. Couldn't it only pertain to parties who didn't lose their deposit, for example? Never mind UKIP, we wouldn't want Monster Raving Loony MPs. ( I know, I know, we've already got them) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 The Tory-supporting media hasn't taken long to get back into its stride. The "don't look over here, look over there" operation has resumed normal service. Headlines in the online Mail and Express - when the government is in meltdown and we can hardly hear ourselves think for the grinding of axes - The King's friends telling folk not to watch a TV programme and Ghislaine Maxwell saying a photo is a fake. Tomorrow's headlineswill probably be about a poll on what the public think about the late monarch's corgis view on the latest Strictly scores and a "scandal" about an SNP MP being photographed putting too much sugar in a cup of tea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 One argument for PR is Ukip. In 2015 they won more than twice as many votes as the SNP. SNP got 56 seats, Ukip got none. No fan of Ukip, but they were under represented. That sounds like an argument against PR . . . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 11 hours ago, scottsdad said: One argument for PR is Ukip. In 2015 they won more than twice as many votes as the SNP. SNP got 56 seats, Ukip got none. No fan of Ukip, but they were under represented. That sounds like an argument against PR . . . Aye but Farage is arguably the most influential post war UK politician and he was never elected to Westminster. The ability to exert such nfluence with neither standing, mandate or accountability is not the sign of a functioning democracy. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 39 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: The Tory-supporting media hasn't taken long to get back into its stride. The "don't look over here, look over there" operation has resumed normal service. Headlines in the online Mail and Express - when the government is in meltdown and we can hardly hear ourselves think for the grinding of axes - The King's friends telling folk not to watch a TV programme and Ghislaine Maxwell saying a photo is a fake. Tomorrow's headlineswill probably be about a poll on what the public think about the late monarch's corgis view on the latest Strictly scores and a "scandal" about an SNP MP being photographed putting too much sugar in a cup of tea. Where are you hearing this?.....................massive if true. I would hope that the un-named SNP MP is preparing for an eight hour cross party grilling from the likes of Alex ArseHole-Hamilton and Jackie Baillie. This will dominate the Scottish press for months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, cyderspaceman said: When did Jeremy Hunt become the sensible, experienced, 'steady hand' that made him first choice for chancellor? He messed up the NHS and was considered to be Murdoch-friendly. His only redeeming feature was to be pro-remain but even then he backtracked later, no doubt to protect his future in the party. It didn't have to be Hunt, all the markets wanted was to see the budget balanced which will be done by increased austerity for the likes of you and me and the continuation of the existing light to no regulation on the said markets and the salaries/wealth of our real rulers after which they'll just select the next target on their VirtualVegas. **************** Given Hunt's trashing of KKs budget fiscal statement yesterday I am in the camp that reckons Truss is PRINO (PRime minister In Name Only). Edited October 16, 2022 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, btb said: It didn't have to be Hunt, all the markets wanted was to see the budget balanced which will be done by increased austerity for the likes of you and me and the continuation of the existing light to no regulation on the said markets and the salaries/wealth of our real rulers after which they'll just select the next target on their VirtualVegas. **************** Given Hunt's trashing of KKs budget fiscal statement yesterday I am in the camp that reckons Truss is PRINO (PRime minister In Name Only). You can't just take liberties with acronyms like that. Disgusting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Lettuce update 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Salt n Vinegar Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 It's going to be fun watching all the tv newsreaders and political pundits desperately trying not to start Hunt's name with a "c". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: It's going to be fun watching all the tv newsreaders and political pundits desperately trying not to start Hunt's name with a "c". That’s his brother, Charles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 4 hours ago, cyderspaceman said: When did Jeremy Hunt become the sensible, experienced, 'steady hand' that made him first choice for chancellor? He messed up the NHS and was considered to be Murdoch-friendly. His only redeeming feature was to be pro-remain but even then he backtracked later, no doubt to protect his future in the party. Not often I quote from the Spectator : https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/flashback-hunt-demands-15p-corporation-tax Quote And that lucky man is Jeremy Hunt, Theresa May's onetime Foreign Secretary who backed Rishi Sunak over Liz Truss in the final round of last month's leadership contest. Before that, of course, Hunt was himself in the running for the leader, with tax cuts top of his proposed agenda. Now Hunt is being seen as a reassuring 'greybeard' of the party's 'sensible' wing but back in July he wanted to cancel Rishi Sunak's planned rise in corporation tax and instead reduce the 25 per cent rate to 15 per cent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 "The fascists and racists would get representation" is a poor argument against PR. On the other hand, Farage and crew would absolutely have spent their time disrupting parliament when people weren't talking about leaving the EU, considering what a bunch of c***s they were in the European Parliament (which IIRC they sent the most number of MEPs to despite winning less than 10% of the eligible vote). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 The thing I took from this is, how many Tory MPs have names that could have came from Viz? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, BFTD said: "The fascists and racists would get representation" is a poor argument against PR. On the other hand, Farage and crew would absolutely have spent their time disrupting parliament when people weren't talking about leaving the EU, considering what a bunch of c***s they were in the European Parliament (which IIRC they sent the most number of MEPs to despite winning less than 10% of the eligible vote). Isn't that basically what the ERG did? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Good choice to replace Truss IMO. Look at his wee face! Lovely floppy ears. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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