Passthebaw Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Is this a club decision or about availability? It does make a difference when they're there. Defences playing a high line can be caught out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 It’s about availability. The Premier always gets priority along with the other tier 6 leagues. Without linesmen it is almost impossible for refs to call offsides accurately. But then how often do we see linesmen waiting for a ref to make a decision before raising his flag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuggie123 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, patriot1 said: It’s about availability. The Premier always gets priority along with the other tier 6 leagues. Without linesmen it is almost impossible for refs to call offsides accurately. But then how often do we see linesmen waiting for a ref to make a decision before raising his flag. Not often regarding offsides. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanks Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 TBH - who would want to be a ref or lino? To have people shouting abuse at you for 90 mins is defo not my idea of a perfect Saturday afternoon. So full marks to the people who do 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Dan Otherthing Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 It’s purely down to availability. Even with the Premier, there was a shortfall yesterday and I know of at least one game that went without. I understand fees have gone up this season, but given an amateur game pays around 50% more than the Linos get and they’re not there an hour before kick off (as is usually seen) this may not a temporary thing! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Dan Otherthing Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 03/09/2022 at 20:48, shuggie123 said: Not often regarding offsides. Or not ever?!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Pele Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 03/09/2022 at 21:05, shanks said: TBH - who would want to be a ref or lino? To have people shouting abuse at you for 90 mins is defo not my idea of a perfect Saturday afternoon. So full marks to the people who do And ever fewer people are doing it for whatever reason. A game involving Threave Rovers in the WoSFL even went ahead with only one lino earlier in the season, not by virtue of an early injury or anything like that, the SFA only put two officials on the game! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) On 03/09/2022 at 19:34, Passthebaw said: Is this a club decision or about availability? It does make a difference when they're there. Defences playing a high line can be caught out. A full SPFL/LL card (bar the OF B game) and Scottish Cup replays probably contributed to fewer assistant refs at tier 6 in the east. But the only way to get more assistants is to retain and train more referees, which means making it a more attractive to current and prospective refs - aside from paying them more, if you are a player, official or spectator you have the choice whether or not you contribute to the (hostile) environment that might affect ref numbers. On 04/09/2022 at 21:35, Derry Pele said: A game involving Threave Rovers in the WoSFL even went ahead with only one lino earlier in the season, not by virtue of an early injury or anything like that, the SFA only put two officials on the game! None of the WOS Fourth Division games have assistants assigned on the SFA website so not sure which game you are referring to - Threave are in the bottom tier of the WOS so no reason to have ARs anyway. Edited September 5, 2022 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Pele Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ginaro said: None of the WOS Fourth Division games have assistants assigned on the SFA website so not sure which game you are referring to - Threave are in the bottom tier of the WOS so no reason to have ARs anyway. It was a pre season game against someone like Whitehill Welfare, no friendlies are listed on the website for whatever reason so I can’t recall for sure the who or the when. Just remember someone saying that it may become the norm in the South (EDIT: highly doubt it), where they moved from, due to a chronic shortage of referees which saw three youth games not played this weekend Edited September 6, 2022 by Derry Pele 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Faceman Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 On 03/09/2022 at 19:34, Passthebaw said: Is this a club decision or about availability? It does make a difference when they're there. Defences playing a high line can be caught out. Not too sure many folk want the job to be honest. Now it seems supporters are bringing in flares and throwing them inches away from the officials. Would you want the job? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 I was at game at Livingston couple of weeks ago there were no assistants appointed and the ref wasn't interested in have the club's doing the line either 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Dan Otherthing Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 On 09/10/2022 at 02:46, Blue said: I was at game at Livingston couple of weeks ago there were no assistants appointed and the ref wasn't interested in have the club's doing the line either In Scotland, club assistants only flag for ball out of play at the side, nothing else and not even which side gets the throw. Ref must have decided to go without that help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slabs Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Ann Dan Otherthing said: In Scotland, club assistants only flag for ball out of play at the side, nothing else and not even which side gets the throw. Ref must have decided to go without that help. Pretty much what they do when there are assistants 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Always played with linesmen, club officials mainly (often cheating) but would find it hard defending, especially when you're looking for a flag, knowing it's an offside. Fair play to the ref's who try to run the game, just think it's down to lack of numbers throughout the game itself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Andy groundhopper said: Always played with linesmen, club officials mainly (often cheating) but would find it hard defending, especially when you're looking for a flag, knowing it's an offside. Fair play to the ref's who try to run the game, just think it's down to lack of numbers throughout the game itself. Without official linesman the ref is guessing if you’re not at least 5 yards on or off. If you do have official assistants then they are being payed so little they are almost volunteering. There’s 2 elements here over not attracting officials , 1. Is how they are treated It the rate of pay needs sorted too. Sort those out and many more will try their arm at officiating and all levels of the game will benefit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithgierose Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 10 hours ago, Slabs said: Pretty much what they do when there are assistants Spot on -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 At the Musselburgh v Sauchie game last week and while the referee was well able to take care of himself the abuse he was getting from a Sauchie knuckle-dragger was ludicrous. A ref makes a mistake, that's the nature of it, fast enough game, lot to work out in a very short timeframe with a load of people telling them what they think happened as well. Those mistakes will happen, not even sure it did here but to suggest he was a Musselburgh fan and a cheat was fucking ludicrous. Hardly surprising we're short of officials when they deal with twats like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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