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It’s about availability. The Premier always gets priority along with the other tier 6 leagues.

Without linesmen it is almost impossible for refs to call offsides accurately. But then how often do we see linesmen waiting for a ref to make a decision before raising his flag. 

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1 hour ago, patriot1 said:

It’s about availability. The Premier always gets priority along with the other tier 6 leagues.

Without linesmen it is almost impossible for refs to call offsides accurately. But then how often do we see linesmen waiting for a ref to make a decision before raising his flag. 

Not often regarding offsides.

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It’s purely down to availability. Even with the Premier, there was a shortfall yesterday and I know of at least one game that went without. I understand fees have gone up this season, but given an amateur game pays around 50% more than the Linos get and they’re not there an hour before kick off (as is usually seen) this may not a temporary thing!

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On 03/09/2022 at 21:05, shanks said:

TBH - who would want to be a ref or lino? To have people shouting abuse at you for 90 mins is defo not my idea of a perfect Saturday afternoon. So full marks to the people who do

And ever fewer people are doing it for whatever reason. 
 

A game involving Threave Rovers in the WoSFL even went ahead with only one lino earlier in the season, not by virtue of an early injury or anything like that, the SFA only put two officials on the game!

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On 03/09/2022 at 19:34, Passthebaw said:

Is this a club decision or about availability? 

It does make a difference when they're there. Defences playing a high line can be caught out.

A full SPFL/LL card (bar the OF B game) and Scottish Cup replays probably contributed to fewer assistant refs at tier 6 in the east. 

But the only way to get more assistants is to retain and train more referees, which means making it a more attractive to current and prospective refs - aside from paying them more, if you are a player, official or spectator you have the choice whether or not you contribute to the (hostile) environment that might affect ref numbers.

On 04/09/2022 at 21:35, Derry Pele said:

A game involving Threave Rovers in the WoSFL even went ahead with only one lino earlier in the season, not by virtue of an early injury or anything like that, the SFA only put two officials on the game!

None of the WOS Fourth Division games have assistants assigned on the SFA website so not sure which game you are referring to - Threave are in the bottom tier of the WOS so no reason to have ARs anyway.

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10 hours ago, Ginaro said:

None of the WOS Fourth Division games have assistants assigned on the SFA website so not sure which game you are referring to - Threave are in the bottom tier of the WOS so no reason to have ARs anyway.

It was a pre season game against someone like Whitehill Welfare, no friendlies are listed on the website for whatever reason so I can’t recall for sure the who or the when. Just remember someone saying that it may become the norm in the South (EDIT: highly doubt it), where they moved from, due to a chronic shortage of referees which saw three youth games not played this weekend 

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On 03/09/2022 at 19:34, Passthebaw said:

Is this a club decision or about availability? 

It does make a difference when they're there. Defences playing a high line can be caught out.

Not too sure many folk want the job to be honest. 

Now it seems supporters are bringing in flares and throwing them inches away from the officials. 

Would you want the job?

 

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On 09/10/2022 at 02:46, Blue said:

I was at  game at Livingston couple of weeks ago there were no assistants appointed and the ref wasn't interested in have the club's doing the line either 

In Scotland, club assistants only flag for ball out of play at the side, nothing else and not even which side gets the throw. Ref must have decided to go without that help.

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1 hour ago, Ann Dan Otherthing said:

In Scotland, club assistants only flag for ball out of play at the side, nothing else and not even which side gets the throw. Ref must have decided to go without that help.

Pretty much what they do when there are assistants

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12 minutes ago, Andy groundhopper said:

Always played with linesmen, club officials mainly (often cheating) but would find it hard defending, especially when you're looking for a flag, knowing it's an offside. Fair play to the ref's who try to run the game, just think it's down to lack of numbers throughout the game itself.

 Without official linesman the ref is guessing if you’re not at least 5 yards on or off. 

If you do have official assistants then they are being payed so little they are almost volunteering.   There’s 2 elements here over not attracting officials , 1. Is how they are treated   It the rate of pay needs sorted too. Sort those out and many more will try their arm at officiating and all levels of the game will benefit 

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At the Musselburgh v Sauchie game last week and while the referee was well able to take care of himself the abuse he was getting from a Sauchie knuckle-dragger was ludicrous.

A ref makes a mistake, that's the nature of it, fast enough game, lot to work out in a very short timeframe with a load of people telling them what they think happened as well.  Those mistakes will happen, not even sure it did here but to suggest he was a Musselburgh fan and a cheat was fucking ludicrous.

Hardly surprising we're short of officials when they deal with twats like that.

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