How do you solve a problem like the Scottish Premiership?

[Mark Connolly]

40 minutes ago, GeorgiosSamaras said:

We’ve played at Fir Park twice this season, both times the Celtic end was full and there was 5000 empty seats in the rest of the stadium. Motherwell could have sold significantly more tickets and received a relative financial windfall, they chose not to. Not claiming it would not bridge the financial gulf between the clubs but it is cutting your nose off to spite your face. 

Why don't the diddy teams just sell all the tickets to Celtic, and not bother with home fans? That would make more money.

[Monkey Tennis]

10 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

Why don't the diddy teams just sell all the tickets to Celtic, and not bother with home fans? That would make more money.

That's actually part of my 'Play the youth team'  masterplan.

[Kapowzer]

2 hours ago, GeorgiosSamaras said:

I'll respond to this because as far as I can see it's the most comprehensive answer to my post, but trying to answer points raised by others within it.

We’ve played at Fir Park twice this season, both times the Celtic end was full and there was 5000 empty seats in the rest of the stadium. Motherwell could have sold significantly more tickets and received a relative financial windfall, they chose not to. Not claiming it would not bridge the financial gulf between the clubs but it is cutting your nose off to spite your face. 

Rangers success in the 1990s was built on a limitless overdraft from the BoS. It was the only sustained period of dominance they’ve had since the 1950s and it was entirely artificial, spending cash they didn’t have. Fergus could have let Celtic die as Rangers fans let their club die in 2012 but he paid our debts. He could have put our financial security in jeopardy by borrowing money we didn’t have as our rivals did. He didn’t, he set in motion a plan to build sustainable success. 

Despite similar roots Hibs have long taken a different path. Celtic stand alone in terms of embracing their Irish identity. That identity and support is passed down through generations. I would presume most on here support their team because their dad or another family member did too. Idea of saying I live in Blantyre so I should go 3 miles to New Douglas Park instead of 6 miles Celtic Park is nuts. Same principle applies to those who stay in other parts of Scotland or Ireland. People don’t pick their team with a map and a ruler. 

Every team has to sell their prize assets, Celtic are no different to other Scottish teams in that regard. Ange has brought in more than he spent. I’d love to have Tierney, Van Dijk and Dembele in the team but we wouldn’t have the squad we have just now without a conveyer belt of players heading out. 

The buzz around Celtic just now isn’t just because they are winning, it’s the style of football they are playing. I seen an Aberdeen fan respond to me scoffing at the idea of actually trying to play football against us. What chance does Scottish football have when a big team with a European trophy are content with creating 0 chances, having 20% of the ball and sitting 11 men behind the ball at home, and still losing, just because it kept the score down? As others have mentioned, we got pumped by Real Madrid and Leipzig this year.  No excuses about budgets, we lost because we faced better teams. Celtic fans aren’t complaining because we went toe to toe with them and had a go anyway.

You got a comprehensive reply because I don't red dot without giving someone the courtesy of an explanation. Even if their view is blinkered and dogmatic.

OK, so the first point, Fir Park. Capacity approx 13k, South Stand holds 5k, 4.5k season ticket holders (including free kids), that number drops be 500-1,000 when you and your ugly sister roll into town. The Phil O'Donnell is the main stand and houses hospitality, directors and the old boys who like that vibe, the Cooper (behind the goals) houses our family section and the Hunter (what you can see opposite the telly camera's) is where the majority of our support sit. To accommodate your suggestion/entitlement means moving season ticket holders and a healthy dose of bad blood between the support and club. John Boyle did it and our former CEO now at Aberdeen said it would rightly never been repeated. Not to mention fans returning to their seats to find stickers with Gaelic slogans and AK47's on them, that is if they've not been trashed.

Now to throw that back at you, say you and the Hunnorum decide to go back to what you did for up to 15 years ago and give up a fair portion of your Stadium. Would you like to be the one to tell those with season tickets in the Lisbon Lions stand that they're getting punted to accommodate the mob from Govan again? I doubt it, so why ask it of other clubs.

Rangers success in the 90's was down to far more astute dealings on the transfer market and better management on and off the pitch. When they were competing against Marseille in the CL, your cash from turnstyles was being taken in biscuit tins. Ironically, that has shifted full circle since. In the 90's they were sustainable, its when they moved into the new millenium that the wheels came off by trying to maintain parity with the English Premiership and look for loopholes to do so.

I'm sure Hibs fans will be interested to know what "path" they followed. As one pointed out already, it seems they just didn't win as frequently.

I support my team because I grew up in the town. I made a decision upon starting high school that my support was worth more to me and the place I lived than trudging into Glasgow despite family connections. If someone lives in Blantyre I'd be asking why the f**k aren't you giving Accies a second thought, why are the OF the default? For all these fans unwilling to use a ruler, I guess what we know what their motivator is, because it's not a tie to their area, hassle factor of getting to games, travelling time or integrity.

Can you explain why no more than 40k show up for midweek games against diddy teams then if there's such a "buzz". And don't go to the official attendance, its well known you publish the season ticket number as your base figure regardless.

Bus parking Aberdeen won that Euro trophy 40 years ago, the club has only fleetingly dared to suggest they are as competent since. How about Dundee United, they were also a decent club in the 80's ..... Jesus on a bike. The reason teams alter their tactics is because a 0-9 may have a significant effect on moral and momentum at the time and goal difference at the business end of the season.

Again let me throw that back. Imagine you didn't f**k the CL up and were in the mix on the final gameweek at the Bernabeu. Keep the loss at two goals or less and you get the Europa. Would Celtic come out all guns blazing and have a go to get 2nd place? I sincerely doubt it.

Stop asking of others what you're not prepared to ask of yourselves.

Edited March 14, 2023 by Kapowzer

[Gorgie greatness]

1 hour ago, GeorgiosSamaras said:

I'll respond to this because as far as I can see it's the most comprehensive answer to my post, but trying to answer points raised by others within it.

We’ve played at Fir Park twice this season, both times the Celtic end was full and there was 5000 empty seats in the rest of the stadium. Motherwell could have sold significantly more tickets and received a relative financial windfall, they chose not to. Not claiming it would not bridge the financial gulf between the clubs but it is cutting your nose off to spite your face. 

Rangers success in the 1990s was built on a limitless overdraft from the BoS. It was the only sustained period of dominance they’ve had since the 1950s and it was entirely artificial, spending cash they didn’t have. Fergus could have let Celtic die as Rangers fans let their club die in 2012 but he paid our debts. He could have put our financial security in jeopardy by borrowing money we didn’t have as our rivals did. He didn’t, he set in motion a plan to build sustainable success. 

Despite similar roots Hibs have long taken a different path. Celtic stand alone in terms of embracing their Irish identity. That identity and support is passed down through generations. I would presume most on here support their team because their dad or another family member did too. Idea of saying I live in Blantyre so I should go 3 miles to New Douglas Park instead of 6 miles Celtic Park is nuts. Same principle applies to those who stay in other parts of Scotland or Ireland. People don’t pick their team with a map and a ruler. 

Every team has to sell their prize assets, Celtic are no different to other Scottish teams in that regard. Ange has brought in more than he spent. I’d love to have Tierney, Van Dijk and Dembele in the team but we wouldn’t have the squad we have just now without a conveyer belt of players heading out. 

The buzz around Celtic just now isn’t just because they are winning, it’s the style of football they are playing. I seen an Aberdeen fan respond to me scoffing at the idea of actually trying to play football against us. What chance does Scottish football have when a big team with a European trophy are content with creating 0 chances, having 20% of the ball and sitting 11 men behind the ball at home, and still losing, just because it kept the score down? As others have mentioned, we got pumped by Real Madrid and Leipzig this year.  No excuses about budgets, we lost because we faced better teams. Celtic fans aren’t complaining because we went toe to toe with them and had a go anyway.

I mind when hearts were in the championship (2015) we had a great style of play against teams far inferior to ours. I enjoyed it but I’d imagine it would get shite doing that annually. All this joy you talk of you might want to let big Ange know of it as he looks a right miserable cunto!

[Jinky67]

15 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

That's actually part of my 'Play the youth team'  masterplan.

I highly doubt any professional footballer will be happy at the thought of spending up to 22% of their league fixtures at home especially when many professional contracts incorporate bonuses for appearances, goals ete so all you do is limit your ability to sign anyone.

Silly plan

[Kapowzer]

Just now, Jinky67 said:

I highly doubt any professional footballer will be happy at the thought of spending up to 22% of their league fixtures at home especially when many professional contracts incorporate bonuses for appearances, goals ete so all you do is limit your ability to sign anyone.

Silly plan

You're one of the reasonable ones .... you aligning with anything Georgios is saying?

[Monkey Tennis]

1 minute ago, Kapowzer said:

You're one of the reasonable ones .... 

Is he Hell?

[Dons_1988]

1 minute ago, Kapowzer said:

You're one of the reasonable ones .... you aligning with anything Georgios is saying?

[DukDukGoose]

3 minutes ago, Kapowzer said:

You're one of the reasonable ones .... you aligning with anything Georgios is saying?

Since when?

[Kapowzer]

1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Is he Hell?

I can only speak for my dealings

[HibsFan]

1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said:

This always tickles me.  

The idea of Dads passing their support on doesn't begin to explain why the gates of most clubs have diminished since the high point of the early 50s; while those of the OF have risen.

It seems that only support for sides that win all the time is hereditary.

Yep, it's also very often untrue too.

Earlier today I had a quick click on our friend Johnny's profile (his recent media was a combination of Scottish football meets busty women ) and was shocked to discover that he regularly attended Cappielow in the early 60s as a kid. He's been supporting Celtic for "more than 55 years" apparently.

Two googles later...

...and...

...we have our answer.

Probably just a total coincidence, mind you. 

Edited March 14, 2023 by HibsFan

[RandomGuy.]

Fair play to Celtic fans btw, decades of clubs trying to figure out how to bridge the gap and theyve managed to solve the riddle in 48 hours.

The unfallible 3 step plan to glory

- Double/triple your attendances

- Sign multiple players on £20k+ a week

- Play an open expansive game even if you lose heavily 67% of the time

 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

1 hour ago, GeorgiosSamaras said:

The buzz around Celtic just now isn’t just because they are winning, it’s the style of football they are playing. 

Really? Against the shite you face in the league and cups and that’s the buzz? Ambition knows no bounds.

[TheScarf]

1 hour ago, GeorgiosSamaras said:

The buzz around Celtic just now isn’t just because they are winning, it’s the style of football they are playing.

[Jacksgranda]

5 hours ago, AndyM said:

And that's what it's meant to be like. Back in my younger days it was "Win or lose we'll be on the booze".

Assume it would be no different if you followed Hearts or Aberdeen.  I have real admiration for those Hibees going to Parkhead this weekend. Arguably the most pointless soul crushing journey outside of a trip to fucking IKEA with the Mrs.

Maybe that was the alternative...

[Derry Alli]

What "buzz" is there around Celtic? 

[Dons_1988]

2 hours ago, GeorgiosSamaras said:

No excuses about budgets, we lost because we faced better teams. Celtic fans aren’t complaining because we went toe to toe with them and had a go anyway.

 

2 hours ago, GeorgiosSamaras said:

Rangers success in the 1990s was built on a limitless overdraft from the BoS. It was the only sustained period of dominance they’ve had since the 1950s and it was entirely artificial, spending cash they didn’t have. 

[Kapowzer]

11 minutes ago, Derry Alli said:

What "buzz" is there around Celtic? 

There's a strong Roy Keane "burst on to the scene did ya?" about that

Wasn't "there's a buzz about the place" an Only an Excuse? sketch probably the 1990's when it was last funny.

Edited March 14, 2023 by Kapowzer

[Jinky67]

1 hour ago, Kapowzer said:

You're one of the reasonable ones .... you aligning with anything Georgios is saying?

You seem to have triggered the fan club mate. I haven’t actually read what he posted but I’ll go back and have a look

1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Is he Hell?

 

1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said:

 

1 hour ago, Merkland Red said:

Since when?

Edited March 14, 2023 by Jinky67

[Sergeant Wilson]

2 hours ago, GeorgiosSamaras said:

I'll respond to this because as far as I can see it's the most comprehensive answer to my post, but trying to answer points raised by others within it.

We’ve played at Fir Park twice this season, both times the Celtic end was full and there was 5000 empty seats in the rest of the stadium. Motherwell could have sold significantly more tickets and received a relative financial windfall, they chose not to. Not claiming it would not bridge the financial gulf between the clubs but it is cutting your nose off to spite your face. 

Rangers success in the 1990s was built on a limitless overdraft from the BoS. It was the only sustained period of dominance they’ve had since the 1950s and it was entirely artificial, spending cash they didn’t have. Fergus could have let Celtic die as Rangers fans let their club die in 2012 but he paid our debts. He could have put our financial security in jeopardy by borrowing money we didn’t have as our rivals did. He didn’t, he set in motion a plan to build sustainable success. 

Despite similar roots Hibs have long taken a different path. Celtic stand alone in terms of embracing their Irish identity. That identity and support is passed down through generations. I would presume most on here support their team because their dad or another family member did too. Idea of saying I live in Blantyre so I should go 3 miles to New Douglas Park instead of 6 miles Celtic Park is nuts. Same principle applies to those who stay in other parts of Scotland or Ireland. People don’t pick their team with a map and a ruler. 

Every team has to sell their prize assets, Celtic are no different to other Scottish teams in that regard. Ange has brought in more than he spent. I’d love to have Tierney, Van Dijk and Dembele in the team but we wouldn’t have the squad we have just now without a conveyer belt of players heading out. 

The buzz around Celtic just now isn’t just because they are winning, it’s the style of football they are playing. I seen an Aberdeen fan respond to me scoffing at the idea of actually trying to play football against us. What chance does Scottish football have when a big team with a European trophy are content with creating 0 chances, having 20% of the ball and sitting 11 men behind the ball at home, and still losing, just because it kept the score down? As others have mentioned, we got pumped by Real Madrid and Leipzig this year.  No excuses about budgets, we lost because we faced better teams. Celtic fans aren’t complaining because we went toe to toe with them and had a go anyway.