free beer Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 The English League appear to have started this in 1933, with return matches between two clubs being for their two mid-week fixtures in August and September. I speculate then that the Scottish introduction in 1936 was a variation on this, but having Saturday and mid-week return fixtures instead. Unfortunately, I have not yet found any reasoning behind the 1933 introduction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free beer Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Final digging on this topic revealed that Charles E. Sutcliffe solely generated the English Football League fixture list using "his own system, with special maps and charts." The early midweek return match scheme was thus his idea, and was most likely done to balance the gate receipt impact to both clubs. Interestingly (and slightly off topic), The English League went to war with the pools companies in February 1936, who were making around £700,000 a week from their fixture list. Meetings were held regarding the introduction of a fee for the use of their copyright fixtures. In a bid to prevent pools coupons from being posted in time, the League even scrapped their fixtures and only informed the clubs on the Thursday as to who their opponents were to be on the Saturday. The prearranged fixture list was returned to after two weeks and no fixture list usage fee was introduced. The Scottish League did not take likewise action as they deemed it not being worth the trouble. Sutcliffe's passing in 1939 revealed that he personally owned the fixture copyright for which an agreement had previously been made, with himself and his son, to hand this and the fixture generation methods over to the League in c. 1946. In May 1939, the English League introduced a fixed fee for the use of their fixtures based on the number of copies. The Scottish League only took out a legal copyright on the use of their fixture list in May 1958. This begs the question:- was the Saturday/mid week return match scheme used by the Scottish League, subtly different so as to avoid a copyright infringement of the novel mid-week/mid-week return match one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 I have no idea why this method of fixture scheduling was used. But I am now genuinely dying to know. Fantastic stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 In the last 25 years Edinburgh City have played on a Monday (Scottish Cup replay v Shire), Tuesday and Wednesday (East of Scotland, Lowland, Scottish League etc), Thursday (away game v Dalbeattie), Friday (Challenge Cup, Scottish League), Saturday (naturally) and Sunday (groundhog weekend, again away to Dalbeattie) Clubs like the OF and Hearts with European and televised domestic games can say the same thing if course. There are Alba games on a Friday for Championship clubs but I doubt many will have played on a Thursday. I can't be bothered looking but there might have been the odd end of season cup final in the East of Scotland League played on a Thursday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 51 minutes ago, tamthebam said: In the last 25 years Edinburgh City have played on a Monday (Scottish Cup replay v Shire), Tuesday and Wednesday (East of Scotland, Lowland, Scottish League etc), Thursday (away game v Dalbeattie), Friday (Challenge Cup, Scottish League), Saturday (naturally) and Sunday (groundhog weekend, again away to Dalbeattie) Clubs like the OF and Hearts with European and televised domestic games can say the same thing if course. There are Alba games on a Friday for Championship clubs but I doubt many will have played on a Thursday. I can't be bothered looking but there might have been the odd end of season cup final in the East of Scotland League played on a Thursday Not common, but numerous EOS games have happened on Thursdays during the last decade-&-a-half or so: Thu 1 May 2008 Easthouses v Whitehill EOS League Premier Division Thu 1 May 2008 Selkirk v Lothian Thistle EOS League Premier Division all had 2 games that midweek (Tue-Thu) Thu 8 May 2008 Whitehill v Easthouses Easthouses had 2 games that midweek (Tue-Thu) Thu 22 May 2008 Dalbeattie v Edinburgh City EOS League Premier Division Thu 22 May 2008 Easthouses v Lothian Thistle EOS League Premier Division Thu 22 May 2008 Selkirk v Preston EOS League Premier Division Dalbeattie, Easthouses and Selkirk had 2 games that midweek (Tue-Thu) Thu 13 May 2010 Spartans v Gretna South Challenge Cup Final (at Hearts) clubs agreed to play Final at Tynecastle on available night Thu 5 May 2011 Edinburgh Uni v Spartans EOS League Premier Division Spartans played 2 games that midweek (Tue-Thu) Thu 26 May 2011 Spartans v Edinburgh Uni EOS League Cup Final (at Preston) this was due to venue availability after SF which was on Sun Thu 11 Apr 2013 Leith v Easthouses EOS League First Division Thu 2 May 2013 Leith v Kelso EOS League First Division Thu 9 May 2013 Berwick EOS v Duns EOS League First Division these were due to clubs playing 2 games those midweeks and/or ground clashes Thu 15 Aug 2013 Hibs EOS v Kelso EOS League First Division this was due to a ground clash Thu 10 Nov 2016 Uni of Stirling v East Kilbride EOS Qualifying Cup R2 clubs agreed to avoid clashing with university league game on Wed Thu 19 Oct 2017 Spartans v Ormiston South Challenge Cup R2 Edinburgh City were home on Sat and for some reason clubs preferred Thu to usual Fri Thu 19 Apr 2018 LTHV v Burntisland EOS League LTHV had 2 games that midweek (Wed-Thu after failing to comply with order to obtain alternate ground as Mon waterlogged) Thu 9 May 2019 Camelon v Bonnyrigg EOS Qualifying Cup SF Bonnyrigg had 2 games that midweek (Mon-Thu) Thu 30 Dec 2021 Broxburn 0-2 Linlithgow EOS League Premier Division Thu 30 Dec 2021 Dunbar 0-2 Whitehill EOS League Premier Division Thu 30 Dec 2021 Haddington 5-0 Ormiston EOS League First Division Conference A Thu 30 Dec 2021 St Andrews 3-2 Kennoway EOS League First Division Conference A clubs agreed to move games from New Year's Day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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