What businesses will die?

[throbber]

The drinking culture changing isn’t all down to cost it’s largely down to social media and more variety for the youth of today. Back when I was 20 almost everyone was out drinking every weekend until the pubs shut and I’m not entirely convinced this was a good thing.
 

 

[coprolite]

6 minutes ago, throbber said:

The drinking culture changing isn’t all down to cost it’s largely down to social media and more variety for the youth of today. Back when I was 20 almost everyone was out drinking every weekend until the pubs shut and I’m not entirely convinced this was a good thing.
 

 

It was. It was fucking great. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Being here in the States, and having not be made aware of the “American Candy Store” phenomena, is it as simple as it sounds? If it’s true, it’s a truly mind blowing concept given the quality of British/European candies over most American ones. At its most basic, American candy is massively handicapped by shite chocolate.

Yep - it smells and tastes like vomit.

[ICTChris]

5 minutes ago, throbber said:

The drinking culture changing isn’t all down to cost it’s largely down to social media and more variety for the youth of today. Back when I was 20 almost everyone was out drinking every weekend until the pubs shut and I’m not entirely convinced this was a good thing.
 

I think this is definitely the case.  From what I can see young people have more diverse interests that they did when I was in my teens and early 20s.  Things like going to the gym or eating out are now much more common social activities than they were in the 90s and early 00s.  Obviously people did go to the gym and did go out for food but I think it's now far more common for people to do that as opposed to go to the pub.

Social media is definitely a factor as well.  

[throbber]

2 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I think this is definitely the case.  From what I can see young people have more diverse interests that they did when I was in my teens and early 20s.  Things like going to the gym or eating out are now much more common social activities than they were in the 90s and early 00s.  Obviously people did go to the gym and did go out for food but I think it's now far more common for people to do that as opposed to go to the pub.

Social media is definitely a factor as well.  

I think advertising and not glamourising alcohol anymore is a massive part of it nowadays as opposed to the 00’s when the debauched 90’s were only a few years ago.

Of course social media plays a part for all ages - I can’t see much appeal in going out to a pub spending £5+ a pint when you can stay in the house messaging who ever you want with your own endless supply of booze and your bed  just being a few yards away. I don’t think it’s a bad thing that the pub scene has died tbh.

[hk blues]

16 minutes ago, throbber said:

I think advertising and not glamourising alcohol anymore is a massive part of it nowadays as opposed to the 00’s when the debauched 90’s were only a few years ago.

Of course social media plays a part for all ages - I can’t see much appeal in going out to a pub spending £5+ a pint when you can stay in the house messaging who ever you want with your own endless supply of booze and your bed  just being a few yards away. I don’t think it’s a bad thing that the pub scene has died tbh.

Sounds boring as f*** t.b.h. 

[ICTChris]

12 minutes ago, throbber said:

I think advertising and not glamourising alcohol anymore is a massive part of it nowadays as opposed to the 00’s when the debauched 90’s were only a few years ago.

Of course social media plays a part for all ages - I can’t see much appeal in going out to a pub spending £5+ a pint when you can stay in the house messaging who ever you want with your own endless supply of booze and your bed  just being a few yards away. I don’t think it’s a bad thing that the pub scene has died tbh.

I'm not sure it's even that - the current young generation are more likely to be teetotal than previous generations.  A lot of the surveys and studies are pretty unreliable but the general trend is that around a quarter of Generation Z abstain completely from alcohol.  I'm sure there are a load of different reasons for this - binge drinking being seen as uncool, religious reasons, health reasons, people having alternative ways of socialising, social media and dating apps mean you don't have to go out to clubs to meet the opposite sex.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

1 hour ago, DA Baracus said:

I think a lot of pubs were on the way out regardless. It's just too costly now. More and more people are deciding that it simply isn't worth being massively ripped off and giving them a miss.

Also the drinking culture with younger folk seems to be changing, possibly because it's so expensive.

pubs have been declining for 30 years, and your right, it's not one thing it's many

[TxRover]

37 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

8 hours ago, TxRover said:

Being here in the States, and having not be made aware of the “American Candy Store” phenomena, is it as simple as it sounds? If it’s true, it’s a truly mind blowing concept given the quality of British/European candies over most American ones. At its most basic, American candy is massively handicapped by shite chocolate.

Yep - it smells and tastes like vomit.

It’s the small amount of sour milk used in the production of Hersey’s chocolate for some reason.

[ICTChris]

6 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

pubs have been declining for 30 years, and your right, it's not one thing it's many

I believe there are around 25% less pubs than there were in 2000.

Around the time of the smoking ban I worked for Scottish and Newcastle breweries and went to a presentation where they went through how they expected pubs to develop.  They said that pubs that had one in and out entrance would be badly hit as people wouldn't want to go in past people smoking.  Places that relied on older drinkers who were more likely to smoke would also lose out as smokers stayed away.

Pubs that were large with a garden area that could be used for smoking would benefit, particularly if they could put covers and heating in.  This meant that groups of friends with some smokers could go and sit without having to go in and out for cigarettes.  Places that had outdoor seating, covered and heated and with TV screens for sporting events were going to make money from the smoking ban.

it seems that smaller pubs are harder hit by the decline in pub numbers and big Wetherspoon type places are doing OK.  

[Northboy]

1 hour ago, DA Baracus said:

I think a lot of pubs were on the way out regardless. It's just too costly now. More and more people are deciding that it simply isn't worth being massively ripped off and giving them a miss.

Also the drinking culture with younger folk seems to be changing, possibly because it's so expensive.

The traditional drinking pub doesn't look to have much future. People of all ages are more aware of their alcohol consumption and while they will continue to drink they are looking for a different experience linked with choice, food, entertainment etc. Added to that, in general people have better facilities and entertainment options at home compared with 20-30 years ago so having friends around is more of a possibility.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

17 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I believe there are around 25% less pubs than there were in 2000.

Around the time of the smoking ban I worked for Scottish and Newcastle breweries and went to a presentation where they went through how they expected pubs to develop.  They said that pubs that had one in and out entrance would be badly hit as people wouldn't want to go in past people smoking.  Places that relied on older drinkers who were more likely to smoke would also lose out as smokers stayed away.

Pubs that were large with a garden area that could be used for smoking would benefit, particularly if they could put covers and heating in.  This meant that groups of friends with some smokers could go and sit without having to go in and out for cigarettes.  Places that had outdoor seating, covered and heated and with TV screens for sporting events were going to make money from the smoking ban.

it seems that smaller pubs are harder hit by the decline in pub numbers and big Wetherspoon type places are doing OK.  

I think it's a pretty big factor along with some others in no particular order ; 

• lowering of the drink drive limit to the point where 1 drink will put you over, or , where a late sesh will see you over well past lunchtime the next day, you certainly can't " 5 & drive" anymore , ok,  technically it's been illegal since the 60's but was widely accepted till the end of the 80s. you can't even have 1 pint of the way home from 5s or any other group activity where you have the car.
• 30 year ago we had 4 tv channels and nae internet,  the old ways of needing an activity to "get you out of the house" is becoming redundant as there is almost as much you can enjoy from home as from there is outside
• there are other things to spend your money on, 30 year ago , going abroad for a weekend city break was prohibitively expensive for most, now it's affordable to alot more, but they may have to sacrifice a few nights in the local boozer . that's just one example
• the price
• dating apps, - chatting burds up in a pub - often uninvited,  is becoming somewhat strange and outdated
• the less people that go, the less who will want to go. who wants to go sit in an empty pub with just the folk you know?
• people are looking at alcohol differently now, it's no longer acceptable for most dads to go and sit in the boozer after work for example

Edited August 9, 2022 by effeffsee_the2nd

[paranoid android]

The main message I'm taking away from this thread is that I have to keep in with the daft bints that run the nail salon if I value my kneecaps. 

[DiegoDiego]

I can’t see much appeal in going out to a pub spending £5+ a pint when you can stay in the house messaging who ever you want with your own endless supply of booze and your bed  just being a few yards away.

Yes, who wouldn't rather sit in their bed alone instead of having actual face-to-face social interaction.

We're on our way to becoming socially more like the Finns and the Danes and I really don't see that as a good thing.

[Lyle Lanley]

7 hours ago, Mr. Alli said:

What were the pints of?

£6 a pint and £5 a vodka and coke isn't bad - in my experience of Edinburgh.

Tennants in a plastic cup. 

[Clown Job]

£3.30 a pint in my local boozer 

Might be talking shite but it think a lot of people expect decent food aswell as booze when visiting the pub these days 

[throbber]

20 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:

 

Yes, who wouldn't rather sit in their bed alone instead of having actual face-to-face social interaction.
 

You don’t need to be sat in bed - you could be watching the 1730 kick off on a Saturday night on your laptop whilst drinking in the bath and gambling with your phone.

Edited August 9, 2022 by throbber

[ICTChris]

12 minutes ago, throbber said:

You don’t need to be sat in bed - you could be watching the 1730 kick off on a Saturday night on your laptop whilst drinking in the bath and gambling with your phone.

You know how to live throbber.

[MEADOWXI]

On 07/08/2022 at 01:46, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

I imagine fly tipping of cadavers due to families unable to afford crematorium prices, ergo crematoria.

 

On 07/08/2022 at 01:52, DA Baracus said:

They won't die, they'll flourish.

Have we considered hooking up crematoriums to the national grid, wee power stations using human bodies as fuel.

 

Cut the energy costs, cut the crem. costs (they'll be competing for bodies), 

Dying will be the last, and possibly only, good thing you do for your country - a new slogan for a Tory Britain.

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

4 minutes ago, MEADOWXI said:

Have we considered hooking up crematoriums to the national grid, wee power stations using human bodies as fuel.

Some crematoria use the heat generated, which would normally go to atmosphere, to heat water, which in turn heats the building.