Lord Elron 44 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Looking to see if anyone knows how amatuer contracts in the league work. If a player signs an amatuer contract and then decides he wants to leave . Can the club hold the player to the contract? If the player then contacts SFA/WOSL can they then get released even if the club refuse to release? Thirdly if they then release him can he sign a amatuer contract with another side in the west 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lord Elron 44 said: Looking to see if anyone knows how amatuer contracts in the league work. If a player signs an amatuer contract and then decides he wants to leave . Can the club hold the player to the contract? If the player then contacts SFA/WOSL can they then get released even if the club refuse to release? Thirdly if they then release him can he sign a amatuer contract with another side in the west If a player signs an amateur's contract and later wants to leave I believe the player can leave after 30 days. If club don't want to release the player then said player needs to contact the SFA and i suspect the association which his club are a part of Yes if released the player can sign another amateur contract with another team but in the senior grade the player can only play with either 2 or 3 teams a season I'm sure. Any money the player receives for an amateur contract s supposed to be for his/her boots, shin guards, travelling etc... Sure someone can clarify this right or wrong Edited July 6, 2022 by Bestsinceslicebread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elron 44 Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 Might be a daft question but do players who sign a professional contract have to be paid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lord Elron 44 said: Might be a daft question but do players who sign a professional contract have to be paid Generally yes, otherwise they would be as well signing amateur or non contract. There is also the grey area of meeting minimum wage amounts, but I’m not sure that is rigorously policed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Lord Elron 44 said: Might be a daft question but do players who sign a professional contract have to be paid Minimunm £1 a week for a full professional contract - players of professional status but effectively signing on amateur terms sign as 'non contract' professionals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthurlie1981 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 14 hours ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: If a player signs an amateur's contract and later wants to leave I believe the player can leave after 30 days. If club don't want to release the player then said player needs to contact the SFA and i suspect the association which his club are a part of Yes if released the player can sign another amateur contract with another team but in the senior grade the player can only play with either 2 or 3 teams a season I'm sure. Any money the player receives for an amateur contract s supposed to be for his/her boots, shin guards, travelling etc... Sure someone can clarify this right or wrong Just to clear up a couple of things. The 30 days only kicks in 30 days after you last played for the club, so if the player last played on the 1st of the month it would be the 30th he can cancel his registration. Don't know how it works in the WOSFL but when it was the SJFA the player couldn't re-sign for another club on an amateur basis but could sign for a clubs in either the SPFL or SAFA affiliated leagues then sign for a club at that grade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Minimunm £1 a week for a full professional contract - players of professional status but effectively signing on amateur terms sign as 'non contract' professionals.How does this work with the minimum wage? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 2 hours ago, craigkillie said: How does this work with the minimum wage? The spfl won’t allow a full professional contract be registered if it doesn’t meet minimum wage, but perhaps the SFA still do, not that they should. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 09/07/2022 at 08:51, craigkillie said: How does this work with the minimum wage? I think players will accept £20 a week + expenses from club A in the WOSFL than demand minimum wage, the result of which would be playing as an amateur outwith all bar a handful of clubs. It's not like these guys are doing it for anything other than beer money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: I think players will accept £20 a week + expenses from club A in the WOSFL than demand minimum wage, the result of which would be playing as an amateur outwith all bar a handful of clubs. It's not like these guys are doing it for anything other than beer money. It's always going to be a point of when will someone pull the trigger. Yes many guys accept the situation, but someone at some point will , if there a bit skint or if a club tries to prevent them leaving for a properly payed roll will cause all kinds of issues. It's surely going to be impossible for a club to ask for a transfer fee on someone they're under paying? Lets say someone has a great 6 months and someone comes in and offers them £200 p/w. Club A ask for transfer fee, Club B know player isn't on minimum wage, player asks for release from contract, club can't refuse as they aren't meeting they're obligations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 07/07/2022 at 13:18, Arthurlie1981 said: The 30 days only kicks in 30 days after you last played for the club, so if the player last played on the 1st of the month it would be the 30th he can cancel his registration. When I was in school, 30 days after the 1st was the 31st. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 1 hour ago, parsforlife said: It's always going to be a point of when will someone pull the trigger. Yes many guys accept the situation, but someone at some point will , if there a bit skint or if a club tries to prevent them leaving for a properly payed roll will cause all kinds of issues. It's surely going to be impossible for a club to ask for a transfer fee on someone they're under paying? Lets say someone has a great 6 months and someone comes in and offers them £200 p/w. Club A ask for transfer fee, Club B know player isn't on minimum wage, player asks for release from contract, club can't refuse as they aren't meeting they're obligations. I guess it comes down to whether a contract becomes invalid in those circumstances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 1 hour ago, cmontheloknow said: I guess it comes down to whether a contract becomes invalid in those circumstances. It will, it legally cannot be upheld. I think it would be impossible for a club to prevent a player moving on and rightly so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthurlie1981 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 2 hours ago, parsforlife said: It will, it legally cannot be upheld. I think it would be impossible for a club to prevent a player moving on and rightly so. But the SFA sanction the contract so how can it be invalid? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthurlie1981 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Stag Nation said: When I was in school, 30 days after the 1st was the 31st. That is what I meant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibenji Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 A professional contract has to meet minimum wage in this league too. Most players I’d assume are on amateur or non-contract registrations 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, ibenji said: A professional contract has to meet minimum wage in this league too. Most players I’d assume are on amateur or non-contract registrations Good point. Just check the registration documentation, with this crucial part B1 Registration Type (Complete one box only) Contract* Non-Contract Amateur Amateur Age 10-17 * By ticking this box I confirm that the Contract of Employment/Player’s Agreement entered into between the Club and the Player named in Part A of this form or any contract extension/variation thereafter meets the requirements of the current legislation in relation to the National Minimum Wage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ibenji said: A professional contract has to meet minimum wage in this league too. Most players I’d assume are on amateur or non-contract registrations At the level we are all on about it's semi professional, so is there a minimum wage for that. Normally two training sessions a week of about either 1 and half hours to 2 hour and Saturday, game time, including before and after which is about 4 hours. So ultimately a paid player is getting paid for 7 hours or 8 hours at the most a week Also, amateur status, your only supposed to be give money for stuff you require to do the job, i.e. buying boots, trainers for training, training gear, shin guards but and a big but, if a club deem you important they will pay money for an amateur. Edited July 10, 2022 by Bestsinceslicebread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 I think players will accept £20 a week + expenses from club A in the WOSFL than demand minimum wage, the result of which would be playing as an amateur outwith all bar a handful of clubs. It's not like these guys are doing it for anything other than beer money.This sounds exceptionally illegal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: At the level we are all on about it's semi professional, so is there a minimum wage for that. Normally two training sessions a week of about either 1 and half hours to 2 hour and Saturday, game time, including before and after which is about 4 hours. So ultimately a paid player is getting paid for 7 hours or 8 hours at the most a week Of course there’s minimum wage for semi-pro, just like the shop needs to pay there weekend staff minimum wage. To pay a player for 7.5 hours a week. If there 23 or above then their weekly wage would be £71.25 a week minimum Ah but they’re enjoying it and have another job doesn’t get round legislation in the slightest. Edited July 10, 2022 by parsforlife 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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