Who will be the next permanent manager of the Conservatives?

[Granny Danger]

12 minutes ago, carpetmonster said:

 

Which is the biggest B’Stard?  You decide.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

An absolute nap that one of these weirdos is going to pitch up in a military uniform next.

[Clown Job]

Wonder how many times we will hear

Take back control

Rebuild the economy 

Tough on crime 

Lower taxes 

Standing up for workers against far left unions 

 

[doulikefish]

They are all fixing the economy etc some journo needs to ask the obvious question 

[Clown Job]

6 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

They are all fixing the economy etc some journo needs to ask the obvious question 

How could Jeremy Corbyn let this happen? 

[Duries Air Freshener]

1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

How do you know she doesn’t have a point?

Pensions, child benefits, etc, in my book are not welfare.

Businesses seem to be very short of labour and there are lots of people out of the workforce.

Maybe there are more self- employed?

Who knows. Certainly needs investigating.

Going on about how evil the Tories supposedly are seems to be the standard answer for many.

Actually looking at the intricacies of the points at hand?  Nah!

[renton]

1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

How do you know she doesn’t have a point?

Pensions, child benefits, etc, in my book are not welfare.

Businesses seem to be very short of labour and there are lots of people out of the workforce.

Maybe there are more self- employed?

Who knows. Certainly needs investigating.

Pensions are the textbook definition of welfare for fucks sakes.

[Dawson Park Boy]

8 minutes ago, renton said:

Pensions are the textbook definition of welfare for fucks sakes.

Everyone contributes to the state pension.

The more you pay in, the more you get out.

Okay, there is a basic, but there are a lot of add-ons.

Definitions have probably changed but I remember terms like Graduated Pensions which were additional.

Maybe it’s changed since I got my state pension, not very big as I was predominantly self- employed, but happy to admit I’m wrong if proved otherwise.

[Boo Khaki]

11 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said:

Going on about how evil the Tories supposedly are seems to be the standard answer for many.

Actually looking at the intricacies of the points at hand?  Nah!

Which 'points at hand?'

The Tories have been embarked on a war on Welfare for 12 years. The return on which seems to amount to nothing more than a massive bill for having 3rd party consultancies tell people with terminal cancer they are fit for work. They've spent more of this pathetic, ideologically driven persecution of the needy than they could ever hope to recover through any of the various schemes and whizzes they've come up with.

It's clear from that short clip alone that Braverman hasn't the first clue about how welfare is actually spent in the UK. Never mind the ridiculous claim that UC has been an effective tool in ending a 'culture of dependency'. That slogan is, in itself, utterly idiotic. If someone is 'dependent' on UC, it's because they have inadequate, or no other means of supporting themselves. Presumably if Braverman wants to end dependency on UC she's proposing some other, as yet unmentioned means of providing UC claimants with an adequate income, at the same time as we're listening to the usual Tory guff about lower taxes, spending cuts, and against the backdrop of a broken economy, rampant inflation, and diabolically poor wages? No, thought not, it's simply yet another instance of a Tory MP with a severe case of 'all benefits claimants are scroungers', knowing full well that despite being in no way reflective of the truth, it's a soundbite she can chuck out that will appeal to the pig ignorant Mail reader types who will decide the next PM. 

Why these fuckers are never just put on the spot by the media is beyond me. I mean, why not just ask her right there and then what proportion of UC actually goes to the supposed 'undeserving poor' she has it in for, and what proportion goes to people already in work? Ask her how much expected savings are versus the cost of administration. She won't have the first fucking clue.

[SuperSaints1877]

1 minute ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Everyone contributes to the state pension.

The more you pay in, the more you get out.

Okay, there is a basic, but there are a lot of add-ons.

Definitions have probably changed but I remember terms like Graduated Pensions which were additional.

Maybe it’s changed since I got my state pension, not very big as I was predominantly self- employed, but happy to admit I’m wrong if proved otherwise.

You are wrong. https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension

Someone earning £100,000 PA for 35 years will get the same state pension as someone qualifying on £10,000 PA for 35 years. 

The individual earning £100K will “pay in” far more National Insurance over 35years. 
 

https://www.gov.uk/national-insurance/how-much-you-pay

BTW the funding for State Pension does not magically appear from a NI pot. 

 

[Dawson Park Boy]

3 minutes ago, SuperSaints1877 said:

You are wrong. https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension

Someone earning £100,000 PA for 35 years will get the same state pension as someone qualifying on £10,000 PA for 35 years. 

The individual earning £100K will “pay in” far more National Insurance over 35years. 
 

https://www.gov.uk/national-insurance/how-much-you-pay

BTW the funding for State Pension does not magically appear from a NI pot. 

 

Okay, they must have stopped all the other bits then.

Presumably, auto - enrolment has taken over from the Graduated Pension part of NI which is probably more sensible.

Regarding funding, I am well aware there is no pot and that it is paid for out of current contributions.

Anyway, thanks for bringing me up to date with the current situation.

Its not, however, my idea of welfare.

As you say, the high earner pays in much more than the low earner.

Surely, the socialists on here can have no quibble with that?

[Mr Tourette]

Apologies if this has been discussed earlier, but I couldn’t be arsed scrolling through the whole thread

But how the f**k is Liz Truss a serious contender in this? She exudes a Prince Philip vibe of opening her mouth and being unaware of just how much objectionable shite comes out

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

So they are half rigging this to stop a complete nutter taking over.  If 2nd place doesn't get 120 MPs then it doesn't go to the membership at least that is what Peston seemed to be prattling on about on ITV news

[Boo Khaki]

2 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said:

So they are half rigging this to stop a complete nutter taking over.  If 2nd place doesn't get 120 MPs then it doesn't go to the membership at least that is what Peston seemed to be prattling on about on ITV news

Have they seen the candidates list?

[williemillersmoustache]

22 minutes ago, Mr Tourette said:

Apologies if this has been discussed earlier, but I couldn’t be arsed scrolling through the whole thread

But how the f**k is Liz Truss a serious contender in this? She exudes a Prince Philip vibe of opening her mouth and being unaware of just how much objectionable shite comes out

She typifies the one virtue that Conservatives genuinely value. An absolutely ruthless pursuit of power unencumbered by any particular ideology. 

She's been a Liberal, a one nation tory, a remainer, and is now indistinguishable from the ERG and the frothing right wing that she's turning tricks for to get a shot at the big dogs big job.

A shameless, moral and intellectual blank hard drive that would sell her family, and her country for one more notch up the greasy pole. 

[Father Ted]

1 hour ago, Boo Khaki said:

Which 'points at hand?'

The Tories have been embarked on a war on Welfare for 12 years. The return on which seems to amount to nothing more than a massive bill for having 3rd party consultancies tell people with terminal cancer they are fit for work. They've spent more of this pathetic, ideologically driven persecution of the needy than they could ever hope to recover through any of the various schemes and whizzes they've come up with.

It's clear from that short clip alone that Braverman hasn't the first clue about how welfare is actually spent in the UK. Never mind the ridiculous claim that UC has been an effective tool in ending a 'culture of dependency'. That slogan is, in itself, utterly idiotic. If someone is 'dependent' on UC, it's because they have inadequate, or no other means of supporting themselves. Presumably if Braverman wants to end dependency on UC she's proposing some other, as yet unmentioned means of providing UC claimants with an adequate income, at the same time as we're listening to the usual Tory guff about lower taxes, spending cuts, and against the backdrop of a broken economy, rampant inflation, and diabolically poor wages? No, thought not, it's simply yet another instance of a Tory MP with a severe case of 'all benefits claimants are scroungers', knowing full well that despite being in no way reflective of the truth, it's a soundbite she can chuck out that will appeal to the pig ignorant Mail reader types who will decide the next PM. 

Why these fuckers are never just put on the spot by the media is beyond me. I mean, why not just ask her right there and then what proportion of UC actually goes to the supposed 'undeserving poor' she has it in for, and what proportion goes to people already in work? Ask her how much expected savings are versus the cost of administration. She won't have the first fucking clue.

It's time welfare for the rich and political classes to stop

To name bur a few;

MP expenses rip off

Second homes

PPE farce

Tax avoidance 

Offshore tax havens

The media mostly are in on this gravy train with the Tories. How else can you explain the lack of accountability? They can't all be stupid surely 

My father was contacted twice by Atos regards fit for work. He had Parkinsons.

Welfare needs to improve for Joe Public.

While we are at it, Global Britain is a fucking laughing stock.

#torycunts

 

 

[Boo Khaki]

14 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

The media mostly are in on this gravy train with the Tories. How else can you explain the lack of accountability? They can't all be stupid surely 

The answer to this poser is really quite transparent and straightforward. The majority of journalists are working for organisations that are either owned by, or controlled by people who are benefactors of, or have a vested interest in the Conservative Party. Those who do have any sort of integrity are simply bullied into submission by threats of non-cooperation. The BBC has never been particularly tenacious in its scrutiny of in-situ governments, but even they noticeably softened the approach as soon as Johnson threatened them with ex-communication. Who the f**k wants to go back to their editor and report that you can't get anywhere near Downing Street because they've basically thrown the toys out of the pram and are refusing to speak to you? That sounds like the sort of stuff that goes on in school playgrounds (and a small part of Glasgow), but it's exactly what Johnson did to the BBC political lot, among others.

Edited July 11, 2022 by Boo Khaki

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

Which candidate will be the first one to promise to deport Mo Farah to Rwanda?

[Boo Khaki]

For anyone who recalls back around the time of Cameron's Government the claims that these weren't the same old 'nasty' Tories of Thatcher's era, you might want to read this Twitter thread. Things have changed since 2010, obviously, but I think the claim above is now absolutely true even if it was not back then. The current iteration of Tory elite is an order of magnitude more reprehensible than anything around in Thatcher's day. As much as I despised her and many of her toadies, it was still the case that there were a few Tories around who did understand and believe in the contract government has with the public. A few with some degree of integrity and decency. I think the last of them vanished in 2019.

 

[Bully Wee Villa]

 

2 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Which candidate will be the first one to promise to deport Mo Farah to Rwanda?

Braverman 1/8