Who will be the next permanent manager of the Conservatives?

[Granny Danger]

Looks like Truss has been using her official residence for campaign purposes which is in breach of the Ministerial Code.  It looks like she has as much respect for the rules as Johnson.

[Salt n Vinegar]

16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Looks like Truss has been using her official residence for campaign purposes which is in breach of the Ministerial Code.  It looks like she has as much respect for the rules as Johnson.

As ET is seen by some as 'continuity Boris',  maybe we should expect something like -  

"There was no campaign meeting and the Ministerial Code was complied with at all times. Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further. "

"There was an unplanned confluence of individuals related to the campaign in the premises, but no campaigning activity took place. Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further." 

"The Code requirements are very complicated, and may not have been entirely understood by those on the premises.  Perhaps the Code should be reviewed to make it less effective...  erm, no, I mean easier to understand.  Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further."

"Any campaigning activity that took place was insubstantial, minor, and dwarfed by important Government discussions on matters of crucial national interest.  Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further." 

"Some colleagues briefly enquired of others how they thought the campaign was going, but it was not the purpose of the gathering and in any event, Liz Truss was not present during those brief conversations. Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further."

"liz Truss was there for perhaps 30 seconds and given Covid recovery, Ukraine, fuel prices, inflation, the NHS, strikes, water supply problems, sewage pouring into rivers and on to beaches, it would be ridiculous for very important people to waste time on dealing with an enquiry by Parliamentary authorities on such  an insubstantial matter. Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further."

"Starmer probably did something naughty somewhere, at some point, and isn't it ridiculous that the press aren't asking about that.  Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further." 

(6 months later...) 

"Yes, I have now received the final report, it was an error of judgement for which have sincerely apologised and what the country now wants is for us to move on and continue with our important work to help our wealthy friends continue to plunder the nation's pockets....  erm, no I mean continue with our important work to help deliver the priorities of the British people.  The matter is now closed so there's no point in any further comment. "

Sounds about right. 

[coprolite]

15 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

As ET is seen by some as 'continuity Boris',  maybe we should expect something like -  

"There was no campaign meeting and the Ministerial Code was complied with at all times. Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further. "

"There was an unplanned confluence of individuals related to the campaign in the premises, but no campaigning activity took place. Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further." 

"The Code requirements are very complicated, and may not have been entirely understood by those on the premises.  Perhaps the Code should be reviewed to make it less effective...  erm, no, I mean easier to understand.  Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further."

"Any campaigning activity that took place was insubstantial, minor, and dwarfed by important Government discussions on matters of crucial national interest.  Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further." 

"Some colleagues briefly enquired of others how they thought the campaign was going, but it was not the purpose of the gathering and in any event, Liz Truss was not present during those brief conversations. Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further."

"liz Truss was there for perhaps 30 seconds and given Covid recovery, Ukraine, fuel prices, inflation, the NHS, strikes, water supply problems, sewage pouring into rivers and on to beaches, it would be ridiculous for very important people to waste time on dealing with an enquiry by Parliamentary authorities on such  an insubstantial matter. Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further."

"Starmer probably did something naughty somewhere, at some point, and isn't it ridiculous that the press aren't asking about that.  Anyway, an enquiry is underway so it would be inappropriate to comment further." 

(6 months later...) 

"Yes, I have now received the final report, it was an error of judgement for which have sincerely apologised and what the country now wants is for us to move on and continue with our important work to help our wealthy friends continue to plunder the nation's pockets....  erm, no I mean continue with our important work to help deliver the priorities of the British people.  The matter is now closed so there's no point in any further comment. "

Sounds about right. 

Boris had distilled his reaction to breaching the ministerial code down to" yeah,  so what? "

Edited August 24, 2022 by coprolite
Sorry "yah, so what?"

[Fletcher23]

3 hours ago, Fullerene said:

In the middle of a cost of living crisis, with rising inflation, food banks, strikes and everything else they are talking about woke culture.

It reminds of the scene from "Good Morning Vietnam" where the General says "The problems of this country have not got one goddamned thing to do with whether you play polkas or don't play polkas".

 In the middle of a cost of living crisis, with rising inflation, food banks, strikes and everything else they are talking about a referendum. 

[RiG]

The Conservatives are looking and sounding more and more like the Republican party in the states.

[Granny Danger]

21 minutes ago, RiG said:

The Conservatives are looking and sounding more and more like the Republican party in the states.

This is true.  As I said in a different thread the Conservative Party is a different animal from 10/12 years ago and the political landscape has changed significantly.  I don’t see the Tories or the country reverting to any semblance of normality soon if at all.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Sunak finally realising that although shitting on the least fortunate is important to Tories, it's not as important as pure culture war horseshit for their mashed potato brains, so why not get you a guy that can do both.

Too little too late now though.

[HTG]

2 hours ago, Fletcher23 said:

 In the middle of a cost of living crisis, with rising inflation, food banks, strikes and everything else they are talking about a referendum. 

f**k off. Just f**k off. The current UK govt railroaded the UK out of the EU, lying their arse off about the NI protocol in the process, in the middle of the worst pandemic to hit the world in 100 years. On top of that, they've done f**k all to mitigate the cost of living crisis whilst they spend months trying to sort out which absolute fucking arsehole will replace the current fucking arsehole who, in the meantime, has fucked off completely. 

Nothing - absolutely nothing - you can bring forward will come close to what the UK has had do endure since 2016 and especially since 2019. In the meantime, England has continued to lurch to the right politically, leading to utterly bizarre shite forming the centre ground of the "debate" between the two absolute fucking arseholes still standing in the fiasco that is the process to replace an absolute fucking arsehole.

So, to sum up, f**k right off. 

[AsimButtHitsASix]

2 hours ago, Fletcher23 said:

 In the middle of a cost of living crisis, with rising inflation, food banks, strikes and everything else they are talking about a referendum. 

Weird how there's never a good time to talk about a referendum. But, ironically, almost every time a referendum is brought up it's by Tory and Labour supporters falsely claiming it's all the independence supporting parties go on about. 

[Fletcher23]

52 minutes ago, HTG said:

f**k off. Just f**k off. The current UK govt railroaded the UK out of the EU, lying their arse off about the NI protocol in the process, in the middle of the worst pandemic to hit the world in 100 years. On top of that, they've done f**k all to mitigate the cost of living crisis whilst they spend months trying to sort out which absolute fucking arsehole will replace the current fucking arsehole who, in the meantime, has fucked off completely. 

Nothing - absolutely nothing - you can bring forward will come close to what the UK has had do endure since 2016 and especially since 2019. In the meantime, England has continued to lurch to the right politically, leading to utterly bizarre shite forming the centre ground of the "debate" between the two absolute fucking arseholes still standing in the fiasco that is the process to replace an absolute fucking arsehole.

So, to sum up, f**k right off. 

No need for the abuse. 

So you want Scotland to spend goodness knows how much money on an unwanted refwrendum when all these things are going on along with a war in the Ukraine. That is not even mentioning the state of our nhs or schools. 

No thank you, the time is definitely not right. 

[Fletcher23]

50 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Weird how there's never a good time to talk about a referendum. But, ironically, almost every time a referendum is brought up it's by Tory and Labour supporters falsely claiming it's all the independence supporting parties go on about. 

It is 100% not the right time. 

2044 seems right to me.

[G51]

You will never see me on here slagging off Liz Truss, for three reasons:

1) half of what she says is just bait 

2) that’s easy greenies, it’s not high-tier posting

3) she’s smoking hot

[Left Back]

5 minutes ago, G51 said:

You will never see me on here slagging off Liz Truss, for three reasons:

1) half of what she says is just bait 

2) that’s easy greenies, it’s not high-tier posting

3) she’s smoking hot

[AsimButtHitsASix]

12 minutes ago, Fletcher23 said:

It is 100% not the right time. 

2044 seems right to me.

Does it, aye?

[Mark Connolly]

8 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Does it, aye?

Will be serious queues if the polling stations are only open for an hour and 16 minutes

[Fletcher23]

1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Does it, aye?

Aye it does Asim, 30 years, a generation. 

[AsimButtHitsASix]

12 minutes ago, Fletcher23 said:

Aye it does Asim, 30 years, a generation. 

Don't recall it being written anywhere that referenda had to be generational. Or that 30 years is the definition of a generation either. 

[Fletcher23]

2 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Don't recall it being written anywhere that referenda had to be generational. Or that 30 years is the definition of a generation either. 

It was in the white paper Asim. 

And a generation is 20-30 years. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation#:~:text=A generation refers to all,and begin to have children."

[AsimButtHitsASix]

2 minutes ago, Fletcher23 said:

It was in the white paper Asim. 

And a generation is 20-30 years. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation#:~:text=A generation refers to all,and begin to have children."

It was not in the white paper that the Independence referendum had to be once in a generation.

The white paper states: "It is a rare and precious moment in the history of Scotland - a once in a generation opportunity to chart a better way."

It does not state it has to be only once in a generation. Anyone with the ability to understand context understood this phrase was there to magnify the importance of the referendum and not as an absolute timeframe on future referenda. That would be fucking stupid. 

In fact the quote within the white paper states "The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence. It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity."  this implies the "once-in-a-generation" statement refers to Westminster allowing one. Not the will to have another. If, as expected, Westminster continue to refuse the legal grounds for another referendum then we can safely say this forewarning has been proven correct.

Again, if you can find it written anywhere that a referendum has to be once in a generation or, indeed, any time scales put forward for how often referenda can happen feel free to post them. If you are just going to take a turn of phrase out of context and repeat it like a legal document don't bother.

Anyway, speaking of documents written down, and easily referenced. Chapter 2 of the Smith Commission: "It is agreed that nothing in this report prevents Scotland becoming an independent country in the future should the people of Scotland so choose."

Weird how the BritNats never reference that and, instead, choose an Alex Salmond soundbite. 

[resk]

Telt.