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Interesting - just had a look at the news outlets. Every single one is showing this Sunak video with headlines such as "Sunak: I took money out of deprived areas" (BBC) and, more hopefully, "All over for Rishi?" (Daily Mail). This is the story. 

This is not only the story of the leadership campaign but, if Labour get their skates on and cement this as the narrative, the story of the next election too. Tories promised levelling up but really took money out of deprived areas and directed it towards wealthy Tory areas. It has such simplicity and an actual smoking gun of a Tory chancellor boasting about this. 

Still, plenty of time for Labour to do something insane. 

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1 hour ago, scottsdad said:

Interesting - just had a look at the news outlets. Every single one is showing this Sunak video with headlines such as "Sunak: I took money out of deprived areas" (BBC) and, more hopefully, "All over for Rishi?" (Daily Mail). This is the story. 

This is not only the story of the leadership campaign but, if Labour get their skates on and cement this as the narrative, the story of the next election too. Tories promised levelling up but really took money out of deprived areas and directed it towards wealthy Tory areas. It has such simplicity and an actual smoking gun of a Tory chancellor boasting about this. 

Still, plenty of time for Labour to do something insane. 

It will barely get a credible mention, anywhere. The reason being that the people who own the media organisations - and a majority of their senior underlings - will be more than happy with money being diverted to the Shires, where they live.

If Labour decide to bang on about it, we'll be watching YouTube documentaries in the aftermath about how the news consistently edited around the pertinent points.

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3 hours ago, scottsdad said:

Interesting - just had a look at the news outlets. Every single one is showing this Sunak video with headlines such as "Sunak: I took money out of deprived areas" (BBC) and, more hopefully, "All over for Rishi?" (Daily Mail). This is the story. 

I'm not sure that it will get that high a profile though.  It appeared on the BBC news about ten minutes in, there.  It did get some attention but only in the context of the battle with Truss and the looming challenges over inflation.

 

I think the fact that increasingly mental stuff is coming from both candidates so frequently, means that no individual example grabs much attention for very long.

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6 hours ago, Boo Khaki said:

It's gone full Trump. The basic concept that who gives a f**k about how offensive or outrageous you are, provided you other your opponent to the point whereby there's enough of 'us' to ensure victory over 'them', why the f**k would you give a single shiny shite about the 'them' or how repulsive your behaviours and actions towards them are?

I totally get what you are saying about politicians of the past as I was going to post something similar myself. The difference is often put down to 'convictions' versus the current lot just being a load of self-serving charlatans who are entirely out for themselves, but I don't think that adequately covers it. Ambitious politicians have always had a streak of ruthless self-interest, but that was tempered by an understanding that when you govern you are governing an entire electorate, not just pandering to the ones you know will back you. 

Trump showed that no matter how ridiculous you are as a human being, no matter how ridiculous your policies, provided enough of the electorate are ridiculous enough themselves to agree with you and vote for you, you're on pretty steady ground. I know it's not as simple as 'the people who elect these idiots are fucking reprehensible idiots themselves', but there is undoubtedly a degree of that at play both in the US with Trump and with the Tories of the past 5 years.

Remember when Cameron went to lengths to try to rehabilitate the Conservatives reputation as being the 'nasty' party? Well all of that has gone out of the window and we're now at a point where they have surpassed anything that happened under the 'bad old years' of Thatcherism. The inherent right-leaning tendencies of the English electorate have encouraged and emboldened the swivel-eyed right in the party of governance, to the point whereby they've managed to convince England and Wales to commit and egregious act of self-harm by voting to leave the EU, they've managed to legitimise complete fucking morons as PM candidates by indulging in continual dead-cat ruses, lying to the point of ridiculousness, and telling a sizeable minority of thick, bigoted morons exactly what they want to hear. The problem is that minority is enough to permit the Tories to hang on to absolute power, which they then use not to govern the UK in it's own best interest, but to abuse for their own ends. 

I'm genuinely surprised that none of the original candidates in the Tory leadership race attempted to open up a discourse on the return of Capital punishment, because as unpopular a position that is with the wider electorate, it's exactly the sort of thing that goes down a storm with the people these folk are pandering to. I mean, who gives a f**k about a policy that is overwhelmingly unpopular if you are talking about the electorate as a whole if it's still hugely popular with a minority that is still large enough to get you elected thanks to a totally broken system you can abuse?

These politicians are caricatures. Vacuous ideologues that would have been ridiculed as joke-figures even ten years ago, but that's another stunt the right of the Tory party pulled. They made the environment and debate so toxic and idiotic that every last one of the 'decent' moderates thought 'f**k this' and either left the party or left politics altogether. It's not even unique to the Tory party. Look at how the Labour Party has completely imploded and self-immolated since the New Labour farce. That's not because New Labour isn't really a thing any more, it's because Blair abused the same cult of personality shite to dumb-down politics himself, abandoned everything that actually held the Labour party together in the first place, filled it with the same vacuous, self-serving careerists that the Tory party is now full of, and left it a pointless, directionless husk when he finally fucked-off into the sunset to do the lucrative speaking tours. 

This omnishambles didn't start with Johnson, or even May or Cameron. It started with Blair, and it's most of the reason why I despise the c**t with a fire that I can't even work up for Thatcher.

As i said the other day, an idiots vote counts just as much as an educated vote, as soon as the trumps and johnsons of this world made that their primary strategy then the baw was burst for any sensible government

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Fun fact - 'Elizabeth Truss' is an anagram of 'A Hitler zest bus'. Maybe there'll be 350m of us a week for liquidation. 

 

ETA - also 'Baez Ulster shit' so maybe she'll get Stormont back in with the power of folk music. 

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14 hours ago, BFTD said:

Terms like 'lefty', 'socialist', and 'Marxist' have changed radically in recent years. They don't seem to have much to do with views on the political spectrum now, but are used to denigrate people who are perceived as being capable of empathy. The worrying part is that people on the right believe that's a winning strategy, and that they might be correct.

We've been slowly morphing into a society that worships psychopathy.

Thing is that the "centre" ground has moved to the right in the last 3 decades.

Tories like RAB Butler, Heath, MacMillan, Jim Prior etc would be seen as suspiciously left these days.

And a Labour PM like Sunny Jim Callaghan who was centre right of the Labour Party would be seen as a Communist 

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14 hours ago, Dons_1988 said:

Watching the announcement from the Bank of England yesterday in conjunction with the Tory leader debate is frankly depressing and very frightening.

Ive always thought there’s a lot of hysteria in political debate but I’ve never felt so uneasy about the future. 

As a outsider looking in and then reading some of the funny post on this thread.  It's all a laugh.

Unfortunately, it really isn't. People are going to die.

It's very much getting close to 'First they came for the Commies'

Very worrying.  Hold on tight folks. 

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15 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

Government considering letting those with a driving license drive 7.5t lorries without any extra training in what is being described as a Brexit bonus 🤣

A lot of people already can.  It used to be allowed to drive 7.5t on a car license.

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It's an over simplification but there's a strong argument to say the current clusterfuck can be directly attributed to the industrial scale Brexit bullshitting  being richly rewarded with power, patronage and no doubt filthy filthy cash rather than punished in any meaningful way. 

And as much as the finger can be fairly pointed at Blair, his one big lie, ended him. He can't buy a pint of milk without someone pointing out the 45 minute bollocks. 

Whereas most of the topcunts of brexit are either in the cabinet or the Lords, rather than say jail and all the Tories who told the truth have been made to recant or had their careers liquidated. 

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1 hour ago, Left Back said:

A lot of people already can.  It used to be allowed to drive 7.5t on a car license.

Used to be able to drive without seatbelts even though they were in all cars from '68. Law made it mandatory in '83.

Driving laws change for safety reason on the whole.  Doing a U-turn on safety laws, Brexit at it's finest. More coming your way.

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6 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said:

And as much as the finger can be fairly pointed at Blair, his one big lie, ended him. He can't buy a pint of milk without someone pointing out the 45 minute bollocks. 

"I would like to buy a pint of milk."

"Sure thing, I will get that for you in 45 minutes."

"Oh I get it.  You are not going to sell me a pint of milk and you are telling me to piss off."

"Correct."

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The sad thing now is looking at both Johnson and these two candidates, I get the feeling we have lost the idea of a serious and thoughtful prime minister. 
Growing up, prime ministers seemed like very proper and very serious people. Growing up in the 80s that was Thatcher - who wouldn't give any of these lunatics the steam off her pish. Some folk loved her, some hated her, but I doubt anybody doubted she was serious and committed to what (she thought) was the best for the country. 
Even lightweights like John Major, Theresa May and David Cameron were grounded with some sense of duty. Can anyone doubt Gordon Broon was a serious politician? Or Tony Blair (for his faults)? For these people, being PM carried a sense of duty and obligation. 
It's like we have gone from having serious people to having cartoon characters running the country. The desperation coming off Sunak is palpable. Truss is just a hand grenade - Johnson without the personality. 
30-40 years ago the likes of Liz Truss would be lucky to become an MP never mind make the cabinet or being PM.

It's absolutely frightening how far talentless, principleless wankers can progress so far.
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