The Queen of the South thread

[Slipmat]

It's a peculiarity of our board that they seem to have a very parochial attitude when it comes to appointing managers.  Whenever a manager leaves either by choice or through being sacked it seems to be the board's automatic gut reaction is to look to promote someone from within the present coaching set-up, or re-appoint a previous dud and look no further.  To me, it seems to be unbelievably stupid to replace an out-going failing manager/coaching team with someone who has been part of that very failing team.

The board are also notoriously slow in acting.  Naysmith, for example was only sacked by the time we had been confirmed as being in the relegation play-offs, AJ had us in a situation that was obvious to a blind man that we weren't going to get out of, yet in both of those examples it took an absolute eternity for the board to take action.

I would have thought that the board's target for this season would have been top 4 at the minimum.  Even if we win our next three games (haha, yes, I know!) it's unlikely we would be in a play-off position at the halfway point in which case they would have plenty of justification for giving Wullie his jotters.  I hope that they do, but with the recent history outlined above I have a great fear that they would make Murray interim manager for an indefinite period while they dithered around waiting for applications to arrive instead of pro-actively seeking out the right man.  And given the quality of available men out there they would probably end up appointing a no-mark like Danny Lennon.

ETA - ...and Hewitson is NOT the sort of man who would want to compensate another club for poaching their manager.

Edited November 12, 2022 by Slipmat

[Kunter]

It's not going to end well but being realistic he's not getting the sack unless we loose about 4 or 5 games back to back. 

Ignoring performances, results have been too inconsistent to get him the chop going by previous evidence of how the board work.  

Said it before but it showed the level of ambition the club had appointing Wullie in the first place. 

Any manager coming here is on a hiding to nothing though. 

[19QOS19]

If you had witnessed that second half you would be angry

Given how soon the 4th was scored after the 3rd I'd probably have seen it on my way out. I'd have been long gone before the 5th though [emoji38]

[Distant Doonhamer]

40 minutes ago, Homer Thompson said:

If you had witnessed that second half you would be angry

Not me. A mixture of indifference and acceptance. We’ve been gutless for so long now. 

[Kunter]

3 hours ago, 19QOS19 said:

I know McCall's stock will be down the now but is it that low he'd take on our basket case of a side?

No chance because if he took us on and failed that would him pretty much finished in league football. 

[Diamonds are Forever]

15 minutes ago, Kunter said:

No chance because if he took us on and failed that would him pretty much finished in league football. 

 

He's 58, in this scenario by the time he failed he'd be at least 60, I doubt his future career is really something he'd be concerned about when he's approaching retirement age anyway.

[19QOS19]

 
He's 58, in this scenario by the time he failed he'd be at least 60, I doubt his future career is really something he'd be concerned about when he's approaching retirement age anyway.

I half expected him to come back to us at some point anyway to give it the "I've always had a place in my heart for Queens and always knew I'd be back some day".

[TERREGLES1919]

42 minutes ago, Kunter said:

It's not going to end well but being realistic he's not getting the sack unless we loose about 4 or 5 games back to back. 

Ignoring performances, results have been too inconsistent to get him the chop going by previous evidence of how the board work.  

Said it before but it showed the level of ambition the club had appointing Wullie in the first place. 

Any manager coming here is on a hiding to nothing though. 

As long as 3 clubs are below Queens in the league table, I doubt there'll be any changes at all. Queens will be mulling around in the 3rd tier of Scottish Football happily sitting in 5th, 6th or 7th season after season with no ambition under the current regime.

[queenslad]

Just saying everyone has been berating McKenna then he misses a game and we lose 5. Don't think he is our worst defender

[Fae_the_'briggs]

4 minutes ago, queenslad said:

Just saying everyone has been berating McKenna then he misses a game and we lose 5. Don't think he is our worst defender

And I don't think he would have helped either, probably have lost by more imo. 

Don't know what Wullie said at half-time but it certainly had an effect on the team. (negatively that is.)

[JK_Queens]

Doubt he’ll get sacked yet, but I think that’s the beginning of the end for Wullie today. A capitulation to that extent is seriously concerning, especially considering we were the better side for the first 45 minutes. It wasn’t like we were outplayed by a far superior team - the arse just totally collapsed. 
 

Defensive recruitment, and performances the key failing. The team is absolutely powderpuff and there was no leadership on the pitch today to try steady the ship when we went 2-1 or 3-1 down. Demoralising. 

[TERREGLES1919]

58 minutes ago, queenslad said:

Just saying everyone has been berating McKenna then he misses a game and we lose 5. Don't think he is our worst defender

I was wondering where he was today. The first league game that McKenna's missed.

[TERREGLES1919]

1 hour ago, TERREGLES1919 said:

As long as 3 clubs are below Queens in the league table, I doubt there'll be any changes at all. Queens will be mulling around in the 3rd tier of Scottish Football happily sitting in 5th, 6th or 7th season after season with no ambition under the current regime.

You can berate me for not liking my news with those 3 negative red comments but folk need to face the hard facts!

[Slipmat]

15 minutes ago, TERREGLES1919 said:

I was wondering where he was today. The first league game that McKenna's missed.

I've wondered where he was in a few of the games where he's been playing.

[19QOS19]

You can berate me for not liking my news with those 3 negative red comments but folk need to face the hard facts!

It's a bullshit post tbf. Say what you like about our BoD but to show no ambition would have been to instantly revert us to PT this season. They didn't do that, they remained FT and have clearly given WG a decent budget this season.

If we fail to go up this season it's WGs fault, not the BoD.

[Distant Doonhamer]

31 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

It's a bullshit post tbf. Say what you like about our BoD but to show no ambition would have been to instantly revert us to PT this season. They didn't do that, they remained FT and have clearly given WG a decent budget this season.

If we fail to go up this season it's WGs fault, not the BoD.

Yes I’m no fan of our  BoD but the notion that they haven’t supported our manager with regards to the squad he’s brought together is utter nonsense. 

[Kunter]

3 hours ago, TERREGLES1919 said:

As long as 3 clubs are below Queens in the league table, I doubt there'll be any changes at all. Queens will be mulling around in the 3rd tier of Scottish Football happily sitting in 5th, 6th or 7th season after season with no ambition under the current regime.

Agree. 

Board have zero ambition. There was ample opportunity to stop us getting relegated in the first place but they chose to ignore it.  Until they disappear we'll continue on this merry-go-round of shitness. 

[Kunter]

4 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

 

He's 58, in this scenario by the time he failed he'd be at least 60, I doubt his future career is really something he'd be concerned about when he's approaching retirement age anyway.

I remember a program on TV about him years ago when he was "between clubs" showing him coaching kids in some kind of academy thing. Amazing passion for the game.

I don't think he's that kinda guy who could ever switch off from football completely unless he's forced to. 

[19QOS19]

Agree. 
Board have zero ambition. There was ample opportunity to stop us getting relegated in the first place but they chose to ignore it.  Until they disappear we'll continue on this merry-go-round of shitness. 

You reckon WG would have turned it around if he got the job earlier?

[qos_75]

3 hours ago, 19QOS19 said:

It's a bullshit post tbf. Say what you like about our BoD but to show no ambition would have been to instantly revert us to PT this season. They didn't do that, they remained FT and have clearly given WG a decent budget this season.

If we fail to go up this season it's WGs fault, not the BoD.

How many times have this board recruited poorly though? It is then compounded  by them not realising their appointment isn’t working and leaving it too late to get shot of the manager.

In any other business the board would have come under scrutiny for not performing.

Yes, the buck does stop with the manager, but there comes a time when the board’s performance should be be analysed too. 

I don’t think it is unreasonable to say their performance in the role hasn’t met requirements either. 

The old argument about there being nobody else wanting to do it doesn’t add up either. Lets test the water by the board  saying they will step down at the end of the season and see who is interested. 

For those old enough to remember, this is becoming a lot like the Harkness years.

Edited November 13, 2022 by qos_75