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8 hours ago, Homer Thompson said:

What it should make you appreciate is how difficult it is to get volunteers to do things on match days.

 

Today we couldn't even get someone to do twitter updates.

Far smaller clubs from far smaller towns regularly put out tweets during the game, match reports, and highlights packages. All of those things are provided as standard at our level.

Is there something rotten about our club that makes people not want to get involved, or do you blame the Dumfries public for lacking skills literally everywhere else has?

As to the performance today - successive squads have had clear issues with playing at home. It can't be solely the pitch as that is shit for everyone. I wonder if it's the psychological aspect of never being in Dumfries except making a long drive down here once a fortnight for a game all the locals will hound you for losing. Just a guess but someone in charge should be looking into the reasons. I am sure they are not, though.

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5 minutes ago, Priti priti priti Patel said:

Today we couldn't even get someone to do twitter updates.

Far smaller clubs from far smaller towns regularly put out tweets during the game, match reports, and highlights packages. All of those things are provided as standard at our level.

Is there something rotten about our club that makes people not want to get involved, or do you blame the Dumfries public for lacking skills literally everywhere else has?

As to the performance today - successive squads have had clear issues with playing at home. It can't be solely the pitch as that is shit for everyone. I wonder if it's the psychological aspect of never being in Dumfries except making a long drive down here once a fortnight for a game all the locals will hound you for losing. Just a guess but someone in charge should be looking into the reasons. I am sure they are not, though.

This is absolutely bang on. 

Non-league sides can manage a better digital output than Queens can. 

There's not been a tweet from club since yesterday. It's not only match day but the first league game of the season. Totally tinpot. The sad thing is it's part of an overall picture, not an anomaly.

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14 minutes ago, Priti priti priti Patel said:

Today we couldn't even get someone to do twitter updates.

Far smaller clubs from far smaller towns regularly put out tweets during the game, match reports, and highlights packages. All of those things are provided as standard at our level.

Is there something rotten about our club that makes people not want to get involved, or do you blame the Dumfries public for lacking skills literally everywhere else has?

As to the performance today - successive squads have had clear issues with playing at home. It can't be solely the pitch as that is shit for everyone. I wonder if it's the psychological aspect of never being in Dumfries except making a long drive down here once a fortnight for a game all the locals will hound you for losing. Just a guess but someone in charge should be looking into the reasons. I am sure they are not, though.

I'm pretty sure if you look at the board, the answer is there, I know of people who won't be at Palmerston until Hewitson is out the door and businesses who won't entertain doing business with Queen's due to Hewitson's presence, but even with this I would have thought someone would be willing. 

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20 minutes ago, Priti priti priti Patel said:

Today we couldn't even get someone to do twitter updates.

Far smaller clubs from far smaller towns regularly put out tweets during the game, match reports, and highlights packages. All of those things are provided as standard at our level.

Is there something rotten about our club that makes people not want to get involved, or do you blame the Dumfries public for lacking skills literally everywhere else has?

As to the performance today - successive squads have had clear issues with playing at home. It can't be solely the pitch as that is shit for everyone. I wonder if it's the psychological aspect of never being in Dumfries except making a long drive down here once a fortnight for a game all the locals will hound you for losing. Just a guess but someone in charge should be looking into the reasons. I am sure they are not, though.

 

11 minutes ago, Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army said:

This is absolutely bang on. 

Non-league sides can manage a better digital output than Queens can. 

There's not been a tweet from club since yesterday. It's not only match day but the first league game of the season. Totally tinpot. The sad thing is it's part of an overall picture, not an anomaly.

Whats the answer then? No ones arguing that things could be better so make some suggestions on how to fix it

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41 minutes ago, Priti priti priti Patel said:

Today we couldn't even get someone to do twitter updates.

Far smaller clubs from far smaller towns regularly put out tweets during the game, match reports, and highlights packages. All of those things are provided as standard at our level.

Is there something rotten about our club that makes people not want to get involved, or do you blame the Dumfries public for lacking skills literally everywhere else has?

As to the performance today - successive squads have had clear issues with playing at home. It can't be solely the pitch as that is shit for everyone. I wonder if it's the psychological aspect of never being in Dumfries except making a long drive down here once a fortnight for a game all the locals will hound you for losing. Just a guess but someone in charge should be looking into the reasons. I am sure they are not, though.

I update the Queens Loyal Facebook page with updates for every Queens game....

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17 minutes ago, Homer Thompson said:

 

Whats the answer then? No ones arguing that things could be better so make some suggestions on how to fix it

A lot of it comes down to communication.

I've never seen a call out for volunteers either. I, like, others, would probably like to help.

But I never seen any notification that there'd not be updates. It wasn't an 11th hour surprise, was it?

I do understand the earlier remark re UWS students but surely to Christ at a club with a supposed 1200 season ticket holders there's someone who would happily tweet out a pic of team lines and some updates throughout the 90 minutes. Doesn't need to be as something for a CV. Could just be for a thank you from the club or the joy of being more involved. 

I do totally get that twitter isn't the biggest issue by the way. But it's a small win that can be easily turned around. 

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16 minutes ago, Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army said:

A lot of it comes down to communication.

I've never seen a call out for volunteers either. I, like, others, would probably like to help.

But I never seen any notification that there'd not be updates. It wasn't an 11th hour surprise, was it?

I do understand the earlier remark re UWS students but surely to Christ at a club with a supposed 1200 season ticket holders there's someone who would happily tweet out a pic of team lines and some updates throughout the 90 minutes. Doesn't need to be as something for a CV. Could just be for a thank you from the club or the joy of being more involved. 

I do totally get that twitter isn't the biggest issue by the way. But it's a small win that can be easily turned around. 

No offence but don't you think if it was easy to turn around it wouldn't actually be an issue? 

ETA - oh, and the last time we asked for volunteers we got one response and that was from a journalist who wanted paid. 

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6 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
17 minutes ago, TERREGLES1919 said:
I update the Queens Loyal Facebook page with updates for every Queens game....

Any chance you can change the "Loyal" part?...

Aye, it's sounds a bit "Govan-ish".

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43 minutes ago, Homer Thompson said:

 

Whats the answer then? No ones arguing that things could be better so make some suggestions on how to fix it

I am loosely involved with a National League South team down here - do a bit of sponsorship and some scouting every now and then. There's probably 40 volunteers on a match day. Success helps, but a big part of it is the open, inclusive feeling about the club.

When I say inclusive I mean that everyone who's volunteering seems to feel they're truly a part of the club and making a meaningful contribution. It's led from the top, with a chairman who walks around the stadium on matchdays speaking to people, is active on social media, gives regular updates on the website, openly praises the impact different teams of volunteers are having. Managers and coaching staff who are on first name basis with the volunteers. That sort of thing. We seem to have a chairman who isn't the most sociable chap so maybe a volunteer coordinator or another director could take the lead?

It might seem convenient to level this at the top, but I've organised volunteers myself in past roles and since they're not getting remuneration, it really is how they feel in the role which dictates how much they do, whether they come back, and whether others get encouraged to also get involved.

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As to the performance today - successive squads have had clear issues with playing at home. It can't be solely the pitch as that is shit for everyone. I wonder if it's the psychological aspect of never being in Dumfries except making a long drive down here once a fortnight for a game all the locals will hound you for losing. Just a guess but someone in charge should be looking into the reasons. I am sure they are not, though.


Not accepting that as an excuse tbh. Our fans will boo but it's very rare to hear anything toxic come from our support. Players get it far worse at other grounds around the country. I'm not advocating it but they could get it far worse than they ever do at Palmerston.

The pitch is absolutely stinking and doesn't lend itself to decent football but we play on it more than anyone else so should be able to adapt.
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26 minutes ago, Homer Thompson said:

No offence but don't you think if it was easy to turn around it wouldn't actually be an issue? 

ETA - oh, and the last time we asked for volunteers we got one response and that was from a journalist who wanted paid. 

No offence taken.

I went to a Galafairydean game and their social and all digital output was done by a teenager who was a fan. Wasn't daughter of the chairperson or manager. Just a fan who wanted to help out the club. Their output is fairly decent. Good old graphics for goalscorers etc. Hardly reinventing the wheel but a decent output that is superior to ours. 

Not having a go, how can they do it but we can't? comparable enough areas and a similar lack of journalism uni courses.

Does such a Dumfries-based, or Queens supporting, person not exist or is there another barrier to it? 

It is sad that just one person applied. Perhaps a reflection on the fanbase and/or reach of the club comms?

We lucked out with Finlay for sure. 

 

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1 hour ago, 19QOS19 said:
1 hour ago, TERREGLES1919 said:
I update the Queens Loyal Facebook page with updates for every Queens game....

Any chance you can change the "Loyal" part?...

I'll think of an alternative....

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Happy to add my name to the list of those willing to help out. 
 

I’m lanarkshire based, but aim to get to 2-3 games a month. Happy to send updates out via Facebook or Twitter when I’m at the games. 
 

Thankfully missed the horror show today. 

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1 hour ago, Priti priti priti Patel said:

I am loosely involved with a National League South team down here - do a bit of sponsorship and some scouting every now and then. There's probably 40 volunteers on a match day. Success helps, but a big part of it is the open, inclusive feeling about the club.

When I say inclusive I mean that everyone who's volunteering seems to feel they're truly a part of the club and making a meaningful contribution. It's led from the top, with a chairman who walks around the stadium on matchdays speaking to people, is active on social media, gives regular updates on the website, openly praises the impact different teams of volunteers are having. Managers and coaching staff who are on first name basis with the volunteers. That sort of thing. We seem to have a chairman who isn't the most sociable chap so maybe a volunteer coordinator or another director could take the lead?

It might seem convenient to level this at the top, but I've organised volunteers myself in past roles and since they're not getting remuneration, it really is how they feel in the role which dictates how much they do, whether they come back, and whether others get encouraged to also get involved.

That sounds really good. Lets be honest, though, its not something the Board are going to do. Theres only one person at the club, realistically, whos going to do something like that and he already has too much to do. Which really leads us back to the same problem of not enough people.

1 hour ago, Alex Nesovic's Barmy Army said:

No offence taken.

I went to a Galafairydean game and their social and all digital output was done by a teenager who was a fan. Wasn't daughter of the chairperson or manager. Just a fan who wanted to help out the club. Their output is fairly decent. Good old graphics for goalscorers etc. Hardly reinventing the wheel but a decent output that is superior to ours. 

Not having a go, how can they do it but we can't? comparable enough areas and a similar lack of journalism uni courses.

Does such a Dumfries-based, or Queens supporting, person not exist or is there another barrier to it? 

It is sad that just one person applied. Perhaps a reflection on the fanbase and/or reach of the club comms?

We lucked out with Finlay for sure. 

 

I genuinely dont know how they can do it and we cant. Maybe they got lucky, like we have over the past 10 years or so, or like someone like East Fife did with their streaming which is done by a couple of fans who just do it for the love of it.

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10 minutes ago, Homer Thompson said:

That sounds really good. Lets be honest, though, its not something the Board are going to do... Which really leads us back to the same problem of not enough people.

There's the f*cking problem though!

Apologies for getting exercised, I am not holding you accountable for it, I just find it so crazy how obvious the problem is to everyone. We need more people. And to get those people we need one of the board to do a bit of work on recruitment. And there's not a chance in hell any of them are going to do it!!!

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13 minutes ago, Homer Thompson said:

I genuinely dont know how they can do it and we cant. Maybe they got lucky, like we have over the past 10 years or so, or like someone like East Fife did with their streaming which is done by a couple of fans who just do it for the love of it.

I'm surprised the groundswell in positivity over the summer hasn't resulted in more offers to get involved. Also a shame. 

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Hope this isn't too obviously promoting my site (but it is!). My site at http://www.qosfan.co.uk has a live update on the front page at home games. Just the team, scorers, cards and occasional comments.

I also do a report on home games.

I've never wanted to be "Official" as I can say things as an Unofficial site that you'd never get away with on an Official Site.

That's http://www.qosfan.co.uk in case you missed it .

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We made a last minute decision to travel down to Dumfries today, despite the rail strike, as my son was keen to attend the first match of the new league season. Even before today’s trip, I was far from convinced that the squad we’ve assembled has the quality or the depth to contend for the title, but  my son was much more optimistic (he’s young enough not to be scarred by the past). However, the collision between unrealistically high expectations and the hard evidence of our collective shortcomings was more traumatic than even I could have imagined.

A few impressions: I managed to purchase tickets online en route to the game, and promptly received the QR codes, so no issues there, or at the turnstiles. Seems like a decent ticketing system. That’s the the good news. All of it.

45 minutes before kick-off until half past two, we were checking Queens official twitter updates for the starting lineups, hitting refresh continually until we gave up and downloaded the Sky Sports app, which duly gave us the teams. Lack of volunteers seems to be the problem. Any other business would employ someone to look after social media, but football clubs seem to rely on people donating their services for nothing. If only we had some spare cash in the bank to pay people (at least) minimum wage to do jobs that desperately need done…

My son wanted some chips before the game started, so I went to the catering kiosk with my card at the ready, only to be greeted with a ‘cash only’ sign. In the modern post-pandemic world, almost no-one uses cash anymore. Just how hard can it be to get a card machine (and/or functional wi-fi if that’s the problem)? Most businesses are in the process of phasing out cash entirely, so demanding ‘cash only’ seems antediluvian to say the least. 

The artificial pitch looked as barren and hostile a surface as ever - I can’t imagine Messrs Armstrong and Aldrin were greeted by a much less hospitable surface on their arrival on the Moon.

In my attempts to gain some online info about the match, I spotted stadium announcer Alex’s Facebook update that part of the main stand had been closed due to the discovery of a wasps’ nest. Fairly soon, I’m sure we can look forward to the closure of the entire antiquated fire hazard for good.

Before the match, a Clyde supporter had asked me where to go to gain admission to the ‘Clyde end’, as if such a thing existed. Fan segregation is clearly optional at Palmerston, with absolutely no attempt at enforcement. We had a group of Clyde fans sitting directly behind us in the middle of the ‘new’ stand, albeit without colours on show, as an increasingly steady flow of their (often well-lubricated and increasingly mouthy) contingent passed back and forward for chips and refreshments all game, in addition to their forcibly-ejected colleague. Wasting an afternoon watching that match was bad enough without having to spend the entire duration in the company of Clyde’s brightest and best.

As far as the game goes, Queens were beyond dismal. I can’t think of a single positive thing to say about that performance. In the run up to the new season, as some were waxing lyrical about the quality of our squad and our chances of promotion, I remained unconvinced that retaining a hefty contingent of last season’s failures, supplemented by a few mostly uninspiring signings, was going to be sufficient to place us firmly in the promotion mix, even taking into account the drop in standard, but I could never have imagined we’d be quite this bad.

I would hesitate to call this a ‘wake-up call’, as I doubt the majority of these Rip Van Winkles could be woken from their slumbers by a category 5 hurricane - if anything it’s a sharp dose of reality puncturing unrealistic expectations. The defence was atrocious; the midfield anonymous; the diminutive forward line lacked presence, pace and power, and the whole team looked lightweight and lost. Clyde were stronger, sharper, more physical and harder working. I thought at half time that things could only improve in the second half, as the first period was the most abject performance I’ve seen from a Queens team in years, falling below even last season’s dismally low standards, but the second, apart from a brief spell of urgency just after the restart, was almost as bad, compounded by Connelly’s daft sending off. Outmuscled, outfought and outplayed, all afternoon long. 

Let’s hope Wilson, Reilly and Ruth (and Todd) make a difference when they come back from injury, but as I said a few weeks ago, I suspect we’re at least 2-3 key signings away from having a team and a squad that can compete at the top end of this league. Let’s hope the board are thinking about investing some of that Rangers windfall in the playing pool, otherwise it’s going to be a very long and difficult season.

It was a thoroughly deflating experience being at Palmerston today, with the last remnant of pre-match optimism evaporating well before half time. The distinct impression I got today, and that I’ve had for a while, is that Queens are a team and a club in freefall, and sadly I doubt we’ve reached the bottom yet.

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