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How will you vote in our democratically mandated indyref 2 - 19/10/2023 (compared to 2014)


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1 minute ago, renton said:

You probably think Atlas Shrugged is a bit Pinko as well?

Rishi Sunak is a fan or hers. Kind of awful to contemplate that your economic future is dependent on some rich kid's pretensions.

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Quite telling (but not at all surprising) seeing the reaction to the prospect of an Indyref2 from the mainstream media platforms and its opponents.

Rather than make the positive case for remaining in the Union (there isn't one), the opposition are flat out denying democracy. And taking EVERY measure possible to avoid a referendum taking place; that's an odd way of showing how absolutely certain you are of the result. 

I couldn't vote in the last referendum as I was abroad, but of course I would vote Yes next time. 

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Just now, Zern said:

Rishi Sunak is a fan or hers. Kind of awful to contemplate that your economic future is dependent on some rich kid's pretensions.

And then some. Sunak is rich enough to look down on the 1%

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54 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

And your defense of the indefensible is laughable, read my post.

Where I mentioned Print Media only.

I said that 95% are tory owned.

BBC, Channel 4 and Sky News are not print media, that may come as a surprise to your hamster size brain.

The Guardian and Observer are owned by The Guardian Media Group > owned by The Scott Trust Ltd > financed by tory venture capitalists GMG Venture LP.

The Guardian is owned by jointly by a Saudi Sheikh with 30%, a Russian with 41% and Justin Shaw with 26% none of whom I would dare to suggest are socialists.

The only one you mention that lean to the left is The Mirror Group.

And btw all of the smaller regional local rags are tory owned.

Yes, you did indeed say print media and you said Tory owned.

Ownership is irrelevant.

Editorial position is much more important. If the Guardian veered rightwards it would lose it’s already meagre readership.

Haven’t seen you around for awhile.

Maybe cut down on the abuse as I recall you as being quite a reasonable fellow.

 

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Ownership of print media is irrelevant!  :lol:

God, he'll get bites from this too. Magnificent stuff.

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1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

That was the Gross amount. After rebates it was around £250mn. 
Not too far off.

Aye, they all say the text on the bus was a lie, but it was actually factual.

Although it was highly disingenuous and misleading :D

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26 minutes ago, Antlion said:

That’s not what I asked: I asked if you had evidence that £350 million saved from our EU contributions was now going to the NHS. If not, then it appears we’ll still waiting on that particular flavour of jam being delivered from your Brexiteer leaders - and further that you’re quite willing to vote for promises of “jam tomorrow” pasted on the side of a bus (which would rather make any attempts on your part to demand answers ahead of a vote look laughable).

The bus said 'Let's spend it on the NHS', which isn't a promise, but merely a suggestion.

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26 minutes ago, monthefife said:

Quite telling (but not at all surprising) seeing the reaction to the prospect of an Indyref2 from the mainstream media platforms and its opponents.

Rather than make the positive case for remaining in the Union (there isn't one), the opposition are flat out denying democracy. And taking EVERY measure possible to avoid a referendum taking place; that's an odd way of showing how absolutely certain you are of the result. 

I couldn't vote in the last referendum as I was abroad, but of course I would vote Yes next time. 

It’s your side that needs to make the case.

We’re quite happy with the status quo.

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19 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Ownership of print media is irrelevant!  :lol:

God, he'll get bites from this too. Magnificent stuff.

Okay, then. Apparently the Guardian is Tory owned according to Sandy.

Does it ever eschew right wing policies?

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13 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

It’s your side that needs to make the case.

We’re quite happy with the status quo.

There is no such thing, as amply proven by the last 8 years.

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23 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Yes, you did indeed say print media and you said Tory owned.

Ownership is irrelevant.

Editorial position is much more important. If the Guardian veered leftwards it would lose it’s already meagre readership.

Haven’t seen you around for awhile.

Maybe cut down on the abuse as I recall you as being quite a reasonable fellow.

 

Thanks for backing down and admitting your failure, good luck in yer life's effort to remain under westminster slavery and being fed utter unionist tripe while they bugger the working class without even a reach round.

Yes I left the politics site when sectarian poisonous drivel started to appear from the inbreds.

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3 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Okay, then. Apparently the Guardian is Tory owned according to Sandy.

Does it ever eschew right wing policies?

Eschew means ‘avoid’ or ‘dismiss’ rather than ‘advocate’ by the way. 
 

Here’s an opinion piece in the Graun from yesterday from noted lefty Matt Hancock. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/30/covid-uk-cases-vaccines-matt-hancock

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11 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

It’s your side that needs to make the case.

We’re quite happy with the status quo.

You speak for a minority of Brexit-loving Scots. I don’t see any case being made for Brexit Britain.

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How are Unionists not grasping that the landscape of the UK has changed dramatically, for the worse, since 2014?  It's immature and childlike to not accept this.

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13 minutes ago, carpetmonster said:

Eschew means ‘avoid’ or ‘dismiss’ rather than ‘advocate’ by the way. 
 

Here’s an opinion piece in the Graun from yesterday from noted lefty Matt Hancock. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/30/covid-uk-cases-vaccines-matt-hancock

Thanks for correcting my error.

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9 minutes ago, Antlion said:

You speak for a minority of Brexit-loving Scots. I don’t see any case being made for Brexit Britain.

You seem to be totally obsessed with Brexit.

Very rarely do I hear it mentioned either on a personal or business level.

I think you need to get over it.

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7 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

You seem to be totally obsessed with Brexit.

Very rarely do I hear it mentioned either on a personal or business level.

I think you need to get over it.

You don't often hear about the single biggest new event of the last few years? Despite the effects of it being reported on a near daily basis? That's a bit weird

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19 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

You seem to be totally obsessed with Brexit.

Very rarely do I hear it mentioned either on a personal or business level.

I think you need to get over it.

No, I don’t think I will. In fact, every time you or any Brexiteer has the sheer brass to demand answers on anything, I’ll be happy to remind you of your utter hypocrisy. Because, after all, you blindly voted for major constitutional change based on not even a spot of ink on a scrap of a page of a white paper. And in Scotland, you were a tiny minority.

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32 minutes ago, Antlion said:

No, I don’t think I will. In fact, every time you or any Brexiteer has the sheer brass to demand answers on anything, I’ll be happy to remind you of your utter hypocrisy. Because, after all, you blindly voted for major constitutional change based on not even a spot of ink on a scrap of a page of a white paper. And in Scotland, you were a tiny minority.

38% isn't really tiny, is it?

Even if it was, it doesn't mean we should vote for partition, and evidence shows that most Scots agree.

You advocate for a minority position.

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