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How will you vote in our democratically mandated indyref 2 - 19/10/2023 (compared to 2014)


Should Scotland be an independent country?   

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9 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

After the daft 2106 'leave' vote I said on here that Scotland should govern its way to independence as it was going in a different direction to the rest of the UK.

As I often do - I got that wrong.  Scotland is going in exactly the same direction as the rest of the UK - towards a smaller-minded, more insular and more belligerent society.

As for 'governing its way to independence'?  None of that has happened.  ScotGov is a pathetic and slightly less charming version of Boris's Tories and HR is little different to WM in its sleaze, incompetence and mendacity.

You can barely separate WM from HR just as you can barely separate Scotland from England.  So the question really should be, "Do you want the small jobby that is Scotland to be in a different location to the larger jobby we're all familiar with?"

If the UK is small-minded, insular and belligerent....what's wrong with being a belligerent disruption against it? Isn't meekly accepting that state of affairs the most small-minded and insular option available?

Other than perhaps towards the UK government, I can't think of many examples of the Scottish Government acting in an aggressive or petty way towards any of its neighbours. It would seem the famously separatist Welsh Labour Party and DUP now also have pretty strong grievances with how devolution works in practice. So the increasing tension you object to isn't unique to us jock partitionists. 

You don't have to like Independence or accept is a solution to the UK's political malaise. But without an explanation of how intuitions like the Scottish Government ought to behave in the current climate, your jobby analogy is a massive concern trolling cop-out I'm afraid. 

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9 minutes ago, Patrick Noubissie said:

If the UK is small-minded, insular and belligerent....what's wrong with being a belligerent disruption against it? Isn't meekly accepting that state of affairs the most small-minded and insular option available?

Other than perhaps towards the UK government, I can't think of many examples of the Scottish Government acting in an aggressive or petty way towards any of its neighbours. It would seem the famously separatist Welsh Labour Party and DUP now also have pretty strong grievances with how devolution works in practice. So the increasing tension you object to isn't unique to us jock partitionists. 

You don't have to like Independence or accept is a solution to the UK's political malaise. But without an explanation of how intuitions like the Scottish Government ought to behave in the current climate, your jobby analogy is a massive concern trolling cop-out I'm afraid. 

The explanation of what the Unionists think Scotland is supposed to do appears to be the same as what BoJo may have said to his mistress, now his wife, a couple of years ago when he was Foreign Secretary... "suck it up, baby, suck it up". 

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5 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

The explanation of what the Unionists think Scotland is supposed to do appears to be the same as what BoJo may have said to his mistress, now his wife, a couple of years ago when he was Foreign Secretary... "suck it up, baby, suck it up". 

With added insult that our consent is neither wanted nor needed. 🤐

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9 hours ago, Zern said:

Scexit is not a thing.

I'm about as hardcore a Yes voter as you'll find, and have been since I was too young to vote.

If somebody could promise me that I'd never again hear the appalling portmanteaux of "Scexit" and Brexit, I'd vote No and wear Union Fleg knickers for the rest of my life.

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23 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

That was the Gross amount. After rebates it was around £250mn. 
Not too far off.

Is the NHS currently getting £250 million more from the post-gross amount or is this jam still coming tomorrow?

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27 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Complete nonsense.

left wing media- The Guardian, The Independent, The Observer,Mirror/Record,The Tines (50/50), BBC, Channel4, Sky News. That’s for starters.

Government policy is currently one of mountainous public spending and high taxes. Corbyn would be proud.

Sandy- you’re  getting worse.

Jings! Someone has overdosed on their daily intake of delusion today.

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2 minutes ago, BFTD said:

I'm about as hardcore a Yes voter as you'll find, and have been since I was too young to vote.

If somebody could promise me that I'd never again hear the appalling portmanteaux of "Scexit" and Brexit, I'd vote No and wear Union Fleg knickers for the rest of my life.

Admit it, you thought it read Sexit didnt you.

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1 minute ago, Melanius Mullarkay said:

Admit it, you thought it read Sexit didnt you.

Sexit's been and gone, my man. I've been living with the consequences for years!

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3 minutes ago, BFTD said:

I'm about as hardcore a Yes voter as you'll find, and have been since I was too young to vote.

If somebody could promise me that I'd never again hear the appalling portmanteaux of "Scexit" and Brexit, I'd vote No and wear Union Fleg knickers for the rest of my life.

Brown uses it liberally, but ultimately it's a 2014 argument. It was used to say that if we voted YES would exit the UK, the EU and be isolated with barriers between us and our trading partners. That came true with Brexit, and the fundamental change is that the indy movement aligned more strongly towards joining the EU to reverse the damage caused.

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Does this work with every governmental decision?

I've decided to believe that Holyrood got those ferries sorted out. Twist ending - the EU paid for it to spite Westminster!  :o

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49 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

I think it probably is.

Thats why were all paying loads more NI.

That’s not what I asked: I asked if you had evidence that £350 million saved from our EU contributions was now going to the NHS. If not, then it appears we’ll still waiting on that particular flavour of jam being delivered from your Brexiteer leaders - and further that you’re quite willing to vote for promises of “jam tomorrow” pasted on the side of a bus (which would rather make any attempts on your part to demand answers ahead of a vote look laughable).

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20 minutes ago, Patrick Noubissie said:

BBC left wing lol

"Left-wing" officially now means "right-wing, but not as right-wing as me".

Marxism has taken some hefty redefinition in the past few years too, and now seems to mean anything that wouldn't see multinational corporations being allowed to keep absolutely every possible penny that they can.

Interesting how language evolves, isn't it?

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1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Complete nonsense.

left wing media- The Guardian, The Independent, The Observer,Mirror/Record,The Tines (50/50), BBC, Channel4, Sky News. That’s for starters.

Government policy is currently one of mountainous public spending and high taxes. Corbyn would be proud.

Sandy- you’re  getting worse.

And your defense of the indefensible is laughable, read my post.

Where I mentioned Print Media only.

I said that 95% are tory owned.

BBC, Channel 4 and Sky News are not print media, that may come as a surprise to your hamster size brain.

The Guardian and Observer are owned by The Guardian Media Group > owned by The Scott Trust Ltd > financed by tory venture capitalists GMG Venture LP.

The Guardian is owned by jointly by a Saudi Sheikh with 30%, a Russian with 41% and Justin Shaw with 26% none of whom I would dare to suggest are socialists.

The only one you mention that lean to the left is The Mirror Group.

And btw all of the smaller regional local rags are tory owned.

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1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Complete nonsense.

left wing media- The Guardian, The Independent, The Observer,Mirror/Record,The Tines (50/50), BBC, Channel4, Sky News. That’s for starters.

Government policy is currently one of mountainous public spending and high taxes. Corbyn would be proud.

Sandy- you’re  getting worse.

You probably think Atlas Shrugged is a bit Pinko as well?

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4 minutes ago, BFTD said:

"Left-wing" officially now means "right-wing, but not as right-wing as me".

Marxism has taken some hefty redefinition in the past few years too, and now seems to mean anything that wouldn't see multinational corporations being allowed to keep absolutely every possible penny that they can.

Interesting how language evolves, isn't it?

Yes- depends what your starting definition is.

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