How will you vote in our democratically mandated indyref 2 - 19/10/2023 (compared to 2014)

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Many have perfected making love to the flag, it takes a real patriot to f**k a passport.

[G51]

4 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said:

Many have perfected making love to the flag, it takes a real patriot to f**k a passport.

Not one with my picture on it.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

2 minutes ago, G51 said:

Not one with my picture on it.

Even though your Independent Highlands and Islands passport will be made of peat and have a crude likeness created by stones and small sticks ?

If you squint really hard maybe. 

[Jacksgranda]

If Scotland became independent, would I be entitled to a third passport?

[G51]

6 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said:

Even though your Independent Highlands and Islands passport will be made of peat and have a crude likeness created by stones and small sticks ?

If you squint really hard maybe. 

Well at least people will be aware of our famous culture after we reclaim it.

"Ah, you're from the Highlands and Islands! The land of the kilt, the bagpipes and beauty!"

"Oh, you're from the Central Belt? That's the place where you all put sauce on your chips isn't it?"

[SandyCromarty]

Talking to much family and friends who have flown to Europe recently for holidays and all have complained bitterly over the extended length of the Non EU passport control queues that we now have to wait in and be treated as outcasts.

We will be voting for Independence, who in their fuckin right mind wants to belong in a broken UK framework riddled with a corrupt fraudulent government whose only real aim is to enrich the rich and shit on the working class, throw in a monarchy with a future king who thinks nothing of taken millions in cash from a despot Qatari family, and while we're at it, a brother of that future king who proclaims that he did not sexually assault an underage girl as he'd never met her but gives her £12 million out of the kindness of his heart.

Time to go and start out on our own two feet, unencumbered with all that shite.

[strichener]

3 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said:

The ECHR, The ICC.

This subservience to courts stuff is totally bonkers. 

The very very very good reason that there should be an international body or court in place to protect rights and liberties not beholden to the state alone, is that often the body impinging upon these rights and liberties is the state. 

Unsurprising you are wrong, the UK incorporated the treaty on Human Rights by way of the Human Rights Act 1998 which only requires that courts take ECHR judgements into account.  The law does not require that UK courts follow judgements from the ECHR.

As was put forward by Lord Judge - 

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In our constitutional arrangements Parliament is sovereign. It can overrule, through the legislative process, any decision of our Supreme Court. In relation to the Strasbourg Court, and the Convention, is this principle negatived by our accession to the treaty obligation contained in Article 46? Do we, can we, accept the obligation … that when a UK case arises, our Parliament must take ‘general measures in its domestic legal order to put an end’ to the violations found by the European Court? Can that possibly be required if Parliament disagrees? For me the answer is, of course not.

The ICC only tries individuals, it has nothing at all to do with the UK legal system.  In it's own words - "As a court of last resort, it seeks to complement, not replace, national Courts. Governed by an international treaty called the Rome Statute, the ICC is the world's first permanent international criminal court."

 

3 hours ago, Zern said:

Very silly stuff from @strichener 

The also EU cannot extinguish member states, the UK can dismiss the parliament of Scotland on a bloody whim.

Very silly?  Take me through the exact process whereby the ICJ can force the UK to do absolutely anything that the UK does not want to do.  Spell it out step by step.

Nobody has claimed that the EU can extinguish member states but it also did not recognise Scotland as a country when we were a member so I am not sure what point you are trying to make.  The parliament of Scotland does not somehow make Scotland a nation, it will continue to exist as such in the event that the parliament is dissolved.  So how can the UK extinguish Scotland as a nation?

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

If Scotland became independent, would I be entitled to a third passport?

I think you would. Like a spy or an assassin 

Jacksgranda the Jackal.

[Suspect Device]

2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

If Scotland became independent, would I be entitled to a third passport?

4 mate.

 

[Zern]

58 minutes ago, strichener said:

Very silly?  Take me through the exact process whereby the ICJ can force the UK to do absolutely anything that the UK does not want to do.  Spell it out step by step.

Very very silly. The ICJ enforces its decisions the same way the EU does, participation, negotiation, consent and legislation. The decisions by the international courts are written into UK law and in doing so recognise the higher court's authority. The UK cannot, for example, legalise genocide and escape prosecution by a higher court.

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Nobody has claimed that the EU can extinguish member states but it also did not recognise Scotland as a country when we were a member so I am not sure what point you are trying to make.  The parliament of Scotland does not somehow make Scotland a nation, it will continue to exist as such in the event that the parliament is dissolved.  So how can the UK extinguish Scotland as a nation?

The UK and EU are not equivalent. Membership comes with recognition, and limits to what the EU can and cannot do directly. The UK government could, in theory, pass primary legislation to wholesale roll back all devolved powers and bodies in both Wales and Scotland. In that respect the EU is a better union than the UK.

[Jacksgranda]

19 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

4 mate.

 

Should there not be 2 stars on that somewhere?

I actually quite like the look of that.

[Jacksgranda]

18 minutes ago, Zern said:

Very very silly. The ICJ enforces its decisions the same way the EU does, participation, negotiation, consent and legislation. The decisions by the international courts are written into UK law and in doing so recognise the higher court's authority. The UK cannot, for example, legalise genocide and escape prosecution by a higher court.

The UK and EU are not equivalent. Membership comes with recognition, and limits to what the EU can and cannot do directly. The UK government could, in theory, pass primary legislation to wholesale roll back all devolved powers and bodies in both Wales and Scotland. In that respect the EU is a better union than the UK.

Oh, aye, leaving us out of it, as usual...

[Granny Danger]

12 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

Oh, aye, leaving us out of it, as usual...

If only we could…

[Jacksgranda]

2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

If only we could…

^^^ Big team found

[Granny Danger]

2 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

^^^ Big team found

Aye, we finished fourth, you finished tenth.

[Jacksgranda]

Just now, Granny Danger said:

Aye, we finished fourth, you finished tenth.

[Zern]

30 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

Oh, aye, leaving us out of it, as usual...

International law would prevent them tampering with Stormont in the same casual manner.

[Jacksgranda]

4 minutes ago, Zern said:

International law would prevent them tampering with Stormont in the same casual manner.

International Law like the NI Protocol?

[Zern]

1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said:

International Law like the NI Protocol?

Well, uh, yes.

TBF the UK will suffer consequences as a results of their dicking around with the NIP.

There would not be similar repercussions were they to disband Wales.

[TopDon]

5 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Talking to much family and friends who have flown to Europe recently for holidays and all have complained bitterly over the extended length of the Non EU passport control queues that we now have to wait in and be treated as outcasts.

We will be voting for Independence, who in their fuckin right mind wants to belong in a broken UK framework riddled with a corrupt fraudulent government whose only real aim is to enrich the rich and shit on the working class, throw in a monarchy with a future king who thinks nothing of taken millions in cash from a despot Qatari family, and while we're at it, a brother of that future king who proclaims that he did not sexually assault an underage girl as he'd never met her but gives her £12 million out of the kindness of his heart.

Time to go and start out on our own two feet, unencumbered with all that shite.