Monkey Tennis Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 8 hours ago, virginton said: They also couldn't get away with massively differentiating between the wages of teachers in the most urgently needed or valuable subject knowledges, compared to primary school teachers (for example). Yet if the wage structure was actually aligned to the market, that would also be in place and there wouldn't be as acute a shortage of teachers in certain subjects. The wages of teachers - just like the majority of public sector roles - are entirely divorced from genuine market forces. And yet, there have been plenty bursary schemes and suchlike in place to additionally reward teachers of STEM subjects. The claim of "entirely divorced" on this flimsy basis is therefore rendered yet sillier. 8 hours ago, virginton said: The only thing that is bizarre here is your 'those people earning £30k aren't yet equipped to do their job' claim. It's above the maximum pay ceiling for many roles in the Scottish economy regardless of the amount of training and experience those workers have. Nah, still no idea what this means in relation to my initial post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Cowley Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 8 hours ago, oaksoft said: Not sure if Im being whooshed here but you dont need a tutor. There are good books on all levels of Physics from Nat 1 through to degree level. They'll have all the stuff you'll need with things like StackExchange, and maybe even on here, available for asking questions if you have any. I'd be happy to help out and there's probably others on here willing and able too. f**k me the last half dozen pages have been tedious but this ^^^ adds some much needed levity. Chapeau sir… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 On the thought that making it to the 40% tax bracket means being well (or very) well paid, the fact that this has been frozen for a few years now bringing more people into this bracket means that this metric is becoming less and less apparent. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, scottsdad said: On the thought that making it to the 40% tax bracket means being well (or very) well paid, the fact that this has been frozen for a few years now bringing more people into this bracket means that this metric is becoming less and less apparent. How much is well well paid though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Just now, hk blues said: How much is well well paid though? It sits between well paid and very well paid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, scottsdad said: It sits between well paid and very well paid. I'm well happy with that definition 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 11 hours ago, virginton said: No it wouldn't, because the demand of applicants for teacher training places is several times higher than the supply of places allocated and funded by the government every year. I am certain this is completely untrue, or is at least untrue for vast swathes of subjects. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said: That's fine. The discussion started when Oaksoft said "Teachers are very well paid. Period." That's the claim that's been contested. However, he's now moved on to offering Physics tuition to randy people. My name is not Randy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, oaksoft said: FFS just got it. I'm off to headbutt a wall repeatedly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 15 hours ago, ICTChris said: Teachers forced to start OnlyFans to make ends meet. Sad. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/teacher-glasgow-only-fans-leak-28623167?fbclid=IwAR0qbR-VJGMGNg4pAvcN2_TvJ8p3-IFq9amvD4zEmT-uiUE4kLirwfOMWZ4 Imagine writing that story and still claiming to be a journalist, if parents don't want their kids looking at that kind of stuff why not take some responsibility rather than demanding folk get sacked. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATTOO Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, 101 said: Imagine writing that story and still claiming to be a journalist, if parents don't want their kids looking at that kind of stuff why not take some responsibility rather than demanding folk get sacked. More to the point, she wasn't "forced" to do anything, if she can't survive on a Teachers salary without doing some sideline porn to make ends meet, then I'd suggest that She's maybe living beyond her means and is living in cloud cuckoo land, but again it's just a ridiculous story and a kick in the teeth to people who really ARE struggling to make ends meet !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, WATTOO said: More to the point, she wasn't "forced" to do anything, if she can't survive on a Teachers salary without doing some sideline porn to make ends meet, then I'd suggest that She's maybe living beyond her means and is living in cloud cuckoo land, but again it's just a ridiculous story and a kick in the teeth to people who really ARE struggling to make ends meet !!! The trouble with this is, you don't know her circumstances. You don't know if she has been saddled with unexpected debt, say. You're not her accountant. She might have been managing just fine and then suddenly found that she wasn't. An awful lot of people were just about managing in recent years. Little changes like doubling/trebling energy bills have meant that for some, they cannot make ends meet. Other things may or may not have happened on top of this. You just don't know. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATTOO Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, scottsdad said: The trouble with this is, you don't know her circumstances. You don't know if she has been saddled with unexpected debt, say. You're not her accountant. She might have been managing just fine and then suddenly found that she wasn't. An awful lot of people were just about managing in recent years. Little changes like doubling/trebling energy bills have meant that for some, they cannot make ends meet. Other things may or may not have happened on top of this. You just don't know. Her own story in another "Record Exclusive" quotes that she "heard you could earn £50k a month on only fans, so it was a no brainer". It's really a non story as she can do as she pleases, however to make out that she was "forced" is utter drivel and insinuates that Teachers aren't paid enough to make ends meet, that's what I'm basically talking about. By the same token, if an MP decides their salary isn't enough and they "NEED" to gain extra cash via illegal lobbying routes etc, then again that would equally annoy me as again is nonsense. The bottom line is she resigned before she was bagged for breaching disciplinary rules and she now seems happy with her career choice, so ultimately it's all good....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/i-forced-choose-porn-scots-28624501?int_source=nba Update. Loads of strange things in that story. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 https://news.stv.tv/scotland/teachers-walk-out-over-violent-and-abusive-behaviour-by-pupils-at-high-school-in-glasgow Knew the name of that school was familiar somehow. There's a lot more to this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, mathematics said: I am certain this is completely untrue, or is at least untrue for vast swathes of subjects. You can be as certain as you want to be. You're still wrong though: https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/big-fall-applications-postgrad-teaching-teacher-training-courses Quote Postgraduate teacher education courses are the main route into primary and secondary teaching in Scotland. For 2022-23, the Scottish Funding Council has asked universities to recruit 1,155 primary student teachers on to postgraduate courses and 779 on to undergraduate routes. The target for secondary postgraduate courses is 2,000 and for undergraduate courses it is 336. There were just under 14,000 applications submitted for the postgraduate route alone in January 2022 - and that was a low year coming off nearly 20k applicants in 2021. There is clearly not a shortage in the supply of potential teachers due to miserable pay and conditions then - there is in fact a reliable surplus. The failure to provide sufficient, trained teachers lies with the limited extent of government funding, as well as the limited competence of universities in recruiting and retaining the fraction of applicants who are able to get a funded spot. If we want to move to a genuinely market-based approach* then we'd open up far more paths to enter teaching and allow individual schools to set wages according to the value of individual employees. Which would mean that the wages of some teachers in scarce disciplines (and outside the Central Belt) would go up, while the wages of most replacement level drones in the Central Belt would fall. That's a market approach to wages - not the complete fiction that teachers want to tell themselves is responsible for their current terms. *We shouldn't. Edited December 1, 2022 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/i-forced-choose-porn-scots-28624501?int_source=nba Update. Loads of strange things in that story.She’s played a blinder. Got her story into the papers which she probably got a pay out for, gained lots of publicity for her account as a result and is now making more money than she was working at a seemingly terrible school full of little b*****ds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/i-forced-choose-porn-scots-28624501?int_source=nba Update. Loads of strange things in that story. She's fucking honking. Imagine paying money to w**k off over that living corpse. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: She’s played a blinder. Got her story into the papers which she probably got a pay out for, gained lots of publicity for her account as a result and is now making more money than she was working at a seemingly terrible school full of little b*****ds. The story says that she has 47 subscribers lying £9.99 a month. That’s £469.53 a month, far less than a teacher’s salary. I’ve got the feeling we’ll be hearing from her again, a new Scottish media character is born, ala Jane Park. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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