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The years of discontent, 2022/23


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8 hours ago, virginton said:

 

They also couldn't get away with massively differentiating between the wages of teachers in the most urgently needed or valuable subject knowledges, compared to primary school teachers (for example). Yet if the wage structure was actually aligned to the market, that would also be in place and there wouldn't be as acute a shortage of teachers in certain subjects. 

The wages of teachers - just like the majority of public sector roles - are entirely divorced from genuine market forces. 

And yet, there have been plenty bursary schemes and suchlike in place to additionally reward teachers of STEM subjects.

The claim of "entirely divorced" on this flimsy basis is therefore rendered yet sillier.

8 hours ago, virginton said:

The only thing that is bizarre here is your 'those people earning £30k aren't yet equipped to do their job' claim. It's above the maximum pay ceiling for many roles in the Scottish economy regardless of the amount of training and experience those workers have. 

Nah, still no idea what this means in relation to my initial post.

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8 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Not sure if Im being whooshed here but you dont need a tutor. There are good books on all levels of Physics from Nat 1 through to degree level. They'll have all the stuff you'll need with things like StackExchange, and maybe even on here, available for asking questions if you have any. I'd be happy to help out and there's probably others on here willing and able too.

f**k me the last half dozen pages have been tedious but this ^^^ adds some much needed levity. Chapeau sir…

 

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On the thought that making it to the 40% tax bracket means being well (or very) well paid, the fact that this has been frozen for a few years now bringing more people into this bracket means that this metric is becoming less and less apparent.

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2 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

On the thought that making it to the 40% tax bracket means being well (or very) well paid, the fact that this has been frozen for a few years now bringing more people into this bracket means that this metric is becoming less and less apparent.

How much is well well paid though?

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11 hours ago, virginton said:

No it wouldn't, because the demand of applicants for teacher training places is several times higher than the supply of places allocated and funded by the government every year. 

I am certain this is completely untrue, or is at least untrue for vast swathes of subjects.

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15 hours ago, ICTChris said:

Imagine writing that story and still claiming to be a journalist, if parents don't want their kids looking at that kind of stuff why not take some responsibility rather than demanding folk get sacked.

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3 minutes ago, 101 said:

Imagine writing that story and still claiming to be a journalist, if parents don't want their kids looking at that kind of stuff why not take some responsibility rather than demanding folk get sacked.

More to the point, she wasn't "forced" to do anything, if she can't survive on a Teachers salary without doing some sideline porn to make ends meet, then I'd suggest that She's maybe living beyond her means and is living in cloud cuckoo land, but again it's just a ridiculous story and a kick in the teeth to people who really ARE struggling to make ends meet !!!

 

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3 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

More to the point, she wasn't "forced" to do anything, if she can't survive on a Teachers salary without doing some sideline porn to make ends meet, then I'd suggest that She's maybe living beyond her means and is living in cloud cuckoo land, but again it's just a ridiculous story and a kick in the teeth to people who really ARE struggling to make ends meet !!!

 

The trouble with this is, you don't know her circumstances. You don't know if she has been saddled with unexpected debt, say. You're not her accountant.

She might have been managing just fine and then suddenly found that she wasn't. An awful lot of people were just about managing in recent years. Little changes like doubling/trebling energy bills have meant that for some, they cannot make ends meet. Other things may or may not have happened on top of this. You just don't know.

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10 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

The trouble with this is, you don't know her circumstances. You don't know if she has been saddled with unexpected debt, say. You're not her accountant.

She might have been managing just fine and then suddenly found that she wasn't. An awful lot of people were just about managing in recent years. Little changes like doubling/trebling energy bills have meant that for some, they cannot make ends meet. Other things may or may not have happened on top of this. You just don't know.

Her own story in another "Record Exclusive" quotes that she "heard you could earn £50k a month on only fans, so it was a no brainer".

It's really a non story as she can do as she pleases, however to make out that she was "forced" is utter drivel and insinuates that Teachers aren't paid enough to make ends meet, that's what I'm basically talking about.

By the same token, if an MP decides their salary isn't enough and they "NEED" to gain extra cash via illegal lobbying routes etc, then again that would equally annoy me as again is nonsense.

The bottom line is she resigned before she was bagged for breaching disciplinary rules and she now seems happy with her career choice, so ultimately it's all good.......

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3 hours ago, mathematics said:

I am certain this is completely untrue, or is at least untrue for vast swathes of subjects.

You can be as certain as you want to be. You're still wrong though:

https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/big-fall-applications-postgrad-teaching-teacher-training-courses

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Postgraduate teacher education courses are the main route into primary and secondary teaching in Scotland.

For 2022-23, the Scottish Funding Council has asked universities to recruit 1,155 primary student teachers on to postgraduate courses and 779 on to undergraduate routes. The target for secondary postgraduate courses is 2,000 and for undergraduate courses it is 336.

 

There were just under 14,000 applications submitted for the postgraduate route alone in January 2022 - and that was a low year coming off nearly 20k applicants in 2021. 

There is clearly not a shortage in the supply of potential teachers due to miserable pay and conditions then - there is in fact a reliable surplus. The failure to provide sufficient, trained teachers lies with the limited extent of government funding, as well as the limited competence of universities in recruiting and retaining the fraction of applicants who are able to get a funded spot. 

If we want to move to a genuinely market-based approach* then we'd open up far more paths to enter teaching and allow individual schools to set wages according to the value of individual employees. Which would mean that the wages of some teachers in scarce disciplines (and outside the Central Belt) would go up, while the wages of most replacement level drones in the Central Belt would fall. 

That's a market approach to wages - not the complete fiction that teachers want to tell themselves is responsible for their current terms.  

*We shouldn't. 

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She’s played a blinder. Got her story into the papers which she probably got a pay out for, gained lots of publicity for her account as a result and is now making more money than she was working at a seemingly terrible school full of little b*****ds.
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7 minutes ago, jamamafegan said:

 


She’s played a blinder. Got her story into the papers which she probably got a pay out for, gained lots of publicity for her account as a result and is now making more money than she was working at a seemingly terrible school full of little b*****ds.

 

The story says that she has 47 subscribers lying £9.99 a month. That’s £469.53 a month, far less than a teacher’s salary.

I’ve got the feeling we’ll be hearing from her again, a new Scottish media character is born, ala Jane Park.

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