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The years of discontent, 2022/23


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18 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Honestly, I've given up asking. They obviously have no idea how the Scottish Government are going to pay for it.

And frankly, it's pretty obvious they don't care either.

At the end of the day they're only interested in themselves.

TBH, this thread is slowly pushing me towards a view that maybe we do need to tighten the rules on who can strike.

If the police are not allowed to strike, maybe there should also be a ban on those involved in critical health service provision such as nurses, paramedics and firefighters. I'm starting to have some sympathy for that view because what is happening right now is an abuse of the right to strike. I also wonder whether there should also be limits on how much disruption teaching and lecturing staff should be able to impose on our young people. I think this is going to be the inevitable end result of all this disruption and frankly the unions will have nobody but themselves and their members to blame.

In order to limit disruption there should be an out the box way of thinking.

I'll start with paying people a proper wage that their education, skills, experience dictates they should be paid

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30 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

Only Tory voters pay tax there? That sounds like a fabulous system tbh. 

BTW can you keep your utterly pathetic need for negative attention to the Politics Sub? It's a bit of a drag having to laugh at you in too many places at once. 

Please and thank you. 

More 'post about posters' tripe from you. Sadly.

The true truth is that Scotland overspends and under delivers so any pay rises will have to come from a budget bloated by we SE/London Tory types whether you like it or not.

 

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Its mental how pay offers made by public bodies are blindly accepted as fully costed, sustainable and fair, becasue some suit says so, but the minute the shop floor asks for a % more they are selfish b*****ds demanding cuts to other services for their own gain. Honestly, mental. 

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3 hours ago, Brother Blades said:

This is an absolutely ridiculous take on things. I’m pretty sure you realise that I meant an extra few of pence on IT wasn’t aimed at people who can’t afford to pay their fuel bills or feed their families? 
I’m talking about above middle earners taking a slight change & the richest actually paying their way, slap 70% on earnings over £100k. Let’s see how many blood suckers leave. 

Sounds like a good idea to me. So while we're at it, we can also limit the pay demands of above middle earners in the public sector - to prioritise genuine cost of living support to those below them in the pay scale.

That makes sure that more of the money raised goes to the correct recipients. 

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3 hours ago, Brother Blades said:

I’m talking about above middle earners taking a slight change & the richest actually paying their way, slap 70% on earnings over £100k. Let’s see how many blood suckers leave. 

I'm sure the heros of the working class like Mick Lynch will definitely be calling for this...

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22 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I'm sure the heros of the working class like Mick Lynch will definitely be calling for this...

What has Mick Lynch said or done that suggest he wouldn't support this?

Even if he was a selfish c**t masquerading as socialist his salary is 84k so I doubt he'd be bothered.

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7 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:

What has Mick Lynch said or done that suggest he wouldn't support this?

Even if he was a selfish c**t masquerading as socialist his salary is 84k so I doubt he'd be bothered.

I said "like" Mick Lynch. Let's not pretend Trade Union leaders are on salary packages under six figures.

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8 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I said "like" Mick Lynch. Let's not pretend Trade Union leaders are on salary packages under six figures.

Why shouldn't they be? Making the case for workers' rights is important, and you want good people doing it. It should be rewarded. Those who are shite at it should get emptied.

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8 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I said "like" Mick Lynch. Let's not pretend Trade Union leaders are on salary packages under six figures.

Mick Lynch is.

Len McLuskey was reportedly on 102k at Unite so, again, doubt he would have been arsed at paying 70% on 2ks worth of earnings.

Anyway, why shouldn't he be? Why shouldn't working class people earn good wages?

What's the salary of the people he is negotiating with?

 

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3 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:

Why shouldn't they be? Making the case for workers' rights is important, and you want good people doing it. It should be rewarded. Those who are shite at it should get emptied.

I made no comment on whether they should or should not be on six figure salaries.

My point was in relation to a poster proposing a 70% tax on earnings over £100k. If you think these people would actively support slashing their own take home pay to prop up their workers I've got even more magic beans for sale.

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Just now, Todd_is_God said:

I made no comment on whether they should or should not be on six figure salaries.

My point was in relation to a poster proposing a 70% tax on earnings over £100k. If you think these people would actively support slashing their own take home pay to prop up their workers I've got even more magic beans for sale.

On 102k per year the GS of Unite would be "slashing their own take home pay" by £600 per year or 50 quid a month.

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11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I made no comment on whether they should or should not be on six figure salaries.

My point was in relation to a poster proposing a 70% tax on earnings over £100k. If you think these people would actively support slashing their own take home pay to prop up their workers I've got even more magic beans for sale.

You did make a comment by your choice of wording. A stupid comment.

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3 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Wouldn't surprise me if there's a VAT rise with Hunt saying everyone will be paying more tax.

Can't see that. The treasured 2019 manifesto is suddenly back to being somewhat relevant again, despite being ignored when Sunak introduced the now abolished NI increase. Usually such measures tend to be leaked

Raising VAT would be a very bad idea during a cost of living crisis for obvious reasons. Annoyingly, it would raise a substantial amount of revenue. The recent VAT takings figures are all over the place due to policies instigated during the pandemic, but you can see that adding 2% would raise a lot of money. Probably in excess of £10bn. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hmrc-tax-and-nics-receipts-for-the-uk/hmrc-tax-receipts-and-national-insurance-contributions-for-the-uk-new-annual-bulletin#:~:text=Total annual receipts in the tax year 2021 to 2022&text=Over the last decade%2C IT,9% of total receipts respectively.

I'd expect VAT receipts to be higher than expected due to inflation and high oil/gas prices. Doubt it'll hit the amount reached in 2021/22, which will be artificially high due to VAT deferrals from the previous year. 

Commentary seems to suggest the Personal Allowance and basic and upper rate bands being frozen; not uprating these by inflation is essentially a tax rise by stealth, which may be what Hunt is getting at. Seems they will be frozen until 2026, which will likely drag a couole of million into the 40% bracket over the next few years. 

Other measures mooted seem to be thresholds for the pension lifetime allowance and Inheritance tax being frozen, dividend tax rates and capital gains bands being equalised with income tax. Plenty room for it to be worse than that, though. Not heard much on cuts, other than The Telegraph being put into mourning with the Royal Yacht being canceled. 

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58 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I made no comment on whether they should or should not be on six figure salaries.

My point was in relation to a poster proposing a 70% tax on earnings over £100k. If you think these people would actively support slashing their own take home pay to prop up their workers I've got even more magic beans for sale.

Unsupported conjecture there. I'm quite happy paying the extra national insurance and would be quite happy if it's reinstated and i'm only a former dabbler in the Unions. 

Letting a little bit of "unions bad" conditioning seep in here. No doubt there's a couple on the make but most are in it for the collective. 

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45 minutes ago, Michael W said:

Can't see that. The treasured 2019 manifesto is suddenly back to being somewhat relevant again, despite being ignored when Sunak introduced the now abolished NI increase. Usually such measures tend to be leaked

Raising VAT would be a very bad idea during a cost of living crisis for obvious reasons. Annoyingly, it would raise a substantial amount of revenue. The recent VAT takings figures are all over the place due to policies instigated during the pandemic, but you can see that adding 2% would raise a lot of money. Probably in excess of £10bn. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hmrc-tax-and-nics-receipts-for-the-uk/hmrc-tax-receipts-and-national-insurance-contributions-for-the-uk-new-annual-bulletin#:~:text=Total annual receipts in the tax year 2021 to 2022&text=Over the last decade%2C IT,9% of total receipts respectively.

I'd expect VAT receipts to be higher than expected due to inflation and high oil/gas prices. Doubt it'll hit the amount reached in 2021/22, which will be artificially high due to VAT deferrals from the previous year. 

Commentary seems to suggest the Personal Allowance and basic and upper rate bands being frozen; not uprating these by inflation is essentially a tax rise by stealth, which may be what Hunt is getting at. Seems they will be frozen until 2026, which will likely drag a couole of million into the 40% bracket over the next few years. 

Other measures mooted seem to be thresholds for the pension lifetime allowance and Inheritance tax being frozen, dividend tax rates and capital gains bands being equalised with income tax. Plenty room for it to be worse than that, though. Not heard much on cuts, other than The Telegraph being put into mourning with the Royal Yacht being canceled. 

Everything in the last paragraph would be just great. Heard that about capital gains tax for about 15 years though. The donors will have the last say. 

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6 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Good luck. I think you and a very large number of others on here are going to be very disappointed.

Thanks. I may end up being worse off but i'll give earning more a shot. I appreciate that trying is the first step on the road to failure but, what the hell, you only live once.

While i'm at it, i'll keep making the case for other people to have the right to stand up for themselves even if the dice are loaded and the good guys lost. 

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