scottsdad Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Bairnardo said: Perhaps I will say my piece to the shop stewards committee and have them trim the rough edges off it before presenting to the company..... That said, I work with folk who are convinced that we should be going in there demanding 18%. There's nothing worse than trying to explain to trade union members why that's a silly idea. Quite right. Should start at 30% and work your way down from there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Left Back said: Are bolt cutters the kind of thing the police would have to hand? You'd think so, for conducting raids on gated premises and the like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 6 hours ago, Left Back said: Are bolt cutters the kind of thing the police would have to hand? How else are they supposed to get confessions rescue trapped children? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Bins collected as usual in my bit of Inverness this morning, though I'm hearing Dingwall is turning into even more of a midden. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 hours ago, EvilScotsman said: How else are they supposed to get confessions rescue trapped children? Birmingham 6 thread for this pish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD1711 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Easily answered. Point One: There's 115,000 people employed in the rail industry apparently. What would be the total cost of giving them all a 7% pay rise for example? Now compare that to the total sum involved in paying a couple of executives an 11.8% pay rise? The two net numbers are in completely different leagues. Point Two: How many of those rail workers could run a multi-million pound company for more than a fortnight before it ran out of cash? People are not paid based on fairness. They are paid on their value to the payer - perceived or otherwise.What would cause more disruption - if the workers strike or an executive does? Majority of these execs don’t know their arse from their elbow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just call a general strike instead of all this half hearted individual action Up the workers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 What would cause more disruption - if the workers strike or an executive does? Majority of these execs don’t know their arse from their elbow. What does that have to do with anything?Erm:- People are not paid based on fairness. They are paid on their value to the payer - perceived or otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Well done the council workers whose bravery gave their Unions the tools needed to go and secure an improved deal worthy of acceptance. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Bairnardo said: Well done the council workers whose bravery gave their Unions the tools needed to go and secure an improved deal worthy of acceptance. Still don't think folk realise striking workers don't get paid and don't earn pension contributions. They might get some solidarity payments from the union but they are losing out financially every day they are out. Well in. If you work in local govt and you know a binman or school janny/cleaner you owe them a pint. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Superb news 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) "Oh, but think of the burden on the poor taxpayer (i.e. me)" type posts incoming! Edited September 2, 2022 by BFTD Christ, I cannot type. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Will be interesting to see what services the "up the workers " guys are happy to see cut back. Or will they be more than happy when the council tax letter lands through their door and it's gone up to cover this? -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Will be interesting to see what services the "up the workers [emoji1363]" guys are happy to see cut back. Or will they be more than happy when the council tax letter lands through their door and it's gone up to cover this?You do realise that you can't really have a "principle" if it gets shelved the second it collides with your own personal situation? If you are against workers using trade unions and collectivisation to get a fair deal, that's fine. I personally am for it and always will be. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Will be interesting to see what services the "up the workers " guys are happy to see cut back. Or will they be more than happy when the council tax letter lands through their door and it's gone up to cover this? No doubt it will be something like… Bands F-H should be hammered to pay for it and higher rate tax should be increased. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Will be interesting to see what services the "up the workers " guys are happy to see cut back. Or will they be more than happy when the council tax letter lands through their door and it's gone up to cover this? Only an idiot thinks council tax touches the side of local authority budgets. There is the entirety of public spending to look at. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Just now, invergowrie arab said: Only an idiot thinks council tax touches the side of local authority budgets. There is the entirety of public spending to look at. 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: No doubt it will be something like… Bands F-H should be hammered to pay for it and higher rate tax should be increased. Told you -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Bairnardo said: You do realise that you can't really have a "principle" if it gets shelved the second it collides with your own personal situation? If you are against workers using trade unions and collectivisation to get a fair deal, that's fine. I personally am for it and always will be. I don't have a side here. Workers can use whatever tools they have at their disposal to try to get what they deem a fair deal. What I also understand, however, is that additional expenditure needs to come from somewhere. When it's a private company, that means prices will increase. When it's a public service company, then either taxes need to be increased or services elsewhere need to be cut. The Venn diagram of those vocally supporting workers in getting a better deal, but will then complain down the road about the knock on effects when it impacts them will be an almost perfect circle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: The Venn diagram of those vocally supporting workers in getting a better deal, but will then complain down the road about the knock on effects when it impacts them will be an almost perfect circle. Everything you said prior to this is correct. The quoted bit is pish though. People who tend to support decent wages for public sector works are almost exclusively never the people who moan about taxation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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