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The year of discontent, 2022


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"I'd just like to state that the management are a bunch of greedy, nepotistic, self-interested cvnts and I very much look forward to receiving a 12% pay rise."
Perhaps I will say my piece to the shop stewards committee and have them trim the rough edges off it before presenting to the company.....

That said, I work with folk who are convinced that we should be going in there demanding 18%. There's nothing worse than trying to explain to trade union members why that's a silly idea.
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1 hour ago, Bairnardo said:

Perhaps I will say my piece to the shop stewards committee and have them trim the rough edges off it before presenting to the company.....

That said, I work with folk who are convinced that we should be going in there demanding 18%. There's nothing worse than trying to explain to trade union members why that's a silly idea.

Quite right. Should start at 30% and work your way down from there.

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Easily answered.
Point One:
There's 115,000 people employed in the rail industry apparently.
What would be the total cost of giving them all a 7% pay rise for example?
Now compare that to the total sum involved in paying a couple of executives an 11.8% pay rise?
The two net numbers are in completely different leagues.
Point Two:
How many of those rail workers could run a multi-million pound company for more than a fortnight before it ran out of cash?
 
People are not paid based on fairness. They are paid on their value to the payer - perceived or otherwise.

What would cause more disruption - if the workers strike or an executive does?

Majority of these execs don’t know their arse from their elbow.
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What would cause more disruption - if the workers strike or an executive does?

Majority of these execs don’t know their arse from their elbow.




What does that have to do with anything?




Erm:-




People are not paid based on fairness. They are paid on their value to the payer - perceived or otherwise.
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1 hour ago, Bairnardo said:

Well done the council workers whose bravery gave their Unions the tools needed to go and secure an improved deal worthy of acceptance.

Still don't think folk realise striking workers don't get paid and don't earn pension contributions.

They might get some solidarity payments from the union but they are losing out financially every day they are out.

Well in. 

If you work in local govt and you know a binman or school janny/cleaner you owe them a pint.

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Will be interesting to see what services the "up the workers 👊🏼" guys are happy to see cut back.

Or will they be more than happy when the council tax letter lands through their door and it's gone up to cover this?

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Will be interesting to see what services the "up the workers [emoji1363]" guys are happy to see cut back.
Or will they be more than happy when the council tax letter lands through their door and it's gone up to cover this?
You do realise that you can't really have a "principle" if it gets shelved the second it collides with your own personal situation?

If you are against workers using trade unions and collectivisation to get a fair deal, that's fine. I personally am for it and always will be.
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12 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Will be interesting to see what services the "up the workers 👊🏼" guys are happy to see cut back.

Or will they be more than happy when the council tax letter lands through their door and it's gone up to cover this?

No doubt it will be something like…

Bands F-H should be hammered to pay for it and higher rate tax should be increased.

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14 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Will be interesting to see what services the "up the workers 👊🏼" guys are happy to see cut back.

Or will they be more than happy when the council tax letter lands through their door and it's gone up to cover this?

Only an idiot thinks council tax touches the side of local authority budgets.

There is the entirety of public spending to look at.

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Just now, invergowrie arab said:

Only an idiot thinks council tax touches the side of local authority budgets.

There is the entirety of public spending to look at.

 

2 minutes ago, Left Back said:

No doubt it will be something like…

Bands F-H should be hammered to pay for it and higher rate tax should be increased.

Told you 

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1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

You do realise that you can't really have a "principle" if it gets shelved the second it collides with your own personal situation?

If you are against workers using trade unions and collectivisation to get a fair deal, that's fine. I personally am for it and always will be.

I don't have a side here. Workers can use whatever tools they have at their disposal to try to get what they deem a fair deal.

What I also understand, however, is that additional expenditure needs to come from somewhere. When it's a private company, that means prices will increase. When it's a public service company, then either taxes need to be increased or services elsewhere need to be cut.

The Venn diagram of those vocally supporting workers in getting a better deal, but will then complain down the road about the knock on effects when it impacts them will be an almost perfect circle.

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