South Challenge Cup 2022-23

[FairWeatherFan]

The draw for the TradeRadiators South Region Challenge Cup is due to take place on Sunday @ 19:00. Doesn't look like it will be a streamed/live draw to the public.

The first two rounds are to be regionalised again.

The West Region are having their AGM on Saturday and are expected to accept new members. If everyone's accepted there should be 165 teams in the draw.

• 16 Lowland League
• 80 WoSFL
• 59 EoSFL
• 10 SoSFL

Draw debuts for Cowdenbeath and from the WoSFL: Easterhouse, Eglinton, Rossvale Academy, Thorn Athletic, and West Park United.

First Round: 20th August

Second Round: 16th September

 

Edited June 26, 2022 by FairWeatherFan

[GNU_Linux]

Can't say I'm a fan of the regionalisation early on being kept.

[FairWeatherFan]

4 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said:

Can't say I'm a fan of the regionalisation early on being kept.

I don't think they've worked out a compromise on what the financial model should look like. It is the cup that covers travel expenses and they only take in money from the Final and sponsorship. The expenses on opening up early on would bankrupt the competition.

[Burnieman]

I don't like regionalisation either, however in the current climate with ridiculous fuel costs and the knock-on effect on bus hire costs, it's probably sensible for now.

[FairWeatherFan]

54 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

I don't like regionalisation either, however in the current climate with ridiculous fuel costs and the knock-on effect on bus hire costs, it's probably sensible for now.

I think it works right now. There were a decent amount of inter-league games that were thrown up in the first two rounds last season. It seems more of a practical decision.

2019-20 and 2020-21 probably used a lot of any saving the cup committee had banked. The 2019-20 final that was eventually played had a headcount of 450 and the most 2021-22 final only had 899. Plus I doubt that TradeRadiators.com is putting in a ton of money.

Seen it said elsewhere the travel expenses minimum distance has been increased to 80 miles. If they kept to the old 50 miles plus they would have paid out £5,850. That was with the regionalisation. If it had been a true open draw it would have bankrupted the competition. The 80 miles marker should have seen it top up the bank balance.

I'm hoping this is the last season of the SCC. It was never really designed to be scaled up the way it has with all the new entrants. Seeing it confused as the South of Scotland Cup etc doesn't help it either. They've got to come up with something new that works. It would help if the all the SFA members in the non-league asked the SFA to dig in the back of sofa cushions for some loose change. The £20k that the SCC (40k combined for the SCC/NCC) supposedly got from the SFA for the first two years would be massive.

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Second	Rossvale 6-0 Campbeltown Pupils	141	300
Third	Linlithgow Rose 3-2 St Cuthbert Wanderers	119.3	250
Third	Threave Rovers 1-3 Civil Service Strollers (@ Palmerston Park)	85.7	200
Fifth	Jeanfield Swifts 3-2 Darvel (Mar 16, post Mar 12)	84.2	200
Second	Replay – Darvel 4-0 Gretna 2008 (Nov 20)	82.4	200
Second	Lesmahagow Juniors 6-3 Creetown	82	200
Third	Irvine Meadow XI 5-2 Penicuik Athletic	78.8	150
Second	East Kilbride Thistle 4-2 Newton Stewart	76.7	150
First	Troon 13-0 Mid Annandale	76.4	150
Third	Bo’ness Athletic – Glenafton Athletic	74	150
Third	Gala Fairydean Rovers 0-2 Stirling University	72.8	150
Third	Vale of Leven 3-1 Edinburgh University	72.8	150
Second	Bonnyton Thistle 1-3 St Cuthbert Wanderers	72.4	150
Second	Berwick Rangers 1-1(3-4p) Broxburn Athletic	72.2	150
First	Dalbeattie Star 0-1 Whitletts Victoria	71.6	150
Third	Tranent Juniors 3-0 Lugar Boswell Thistle	70.8	150
Third	Luncarty 2-3 Renfrew	69.1	150
Second	Abbey Vale 3-4 Newmains United	69.1	150
Semi finals	Auchinleck Talbot 3-1 Sauchie Juniors (Apr 30)	68.3	150
Fifth	Vale of Leven 1-3 Spartans (Mar 12)	67.5	150
Fourth	Sauchie Juniors 5-1 Troon (Mar 5, post Feb 5)	67	150
Second	Cambuslang Rangers 7-0 Lochmaben	65.8	150
Third	Glenrothes 1-6 Clydebank	65.6	150
Final	Bonnyrigg Rose 1-3 Auchinleck Talbot (May 22 @ Falkirk Stadium)	62.8	150
Second	Caledonian Braves 4-0 Kennoway Star Hearts	61	150
First	Lugar Boswell Thistle 6-2 Wigtown & Bladnoch	59.1	150
Fourth	Arthurlie 0-1 Bonnyrigg Rose (Mar 5, post Feb 5)	58.6	150
Third	Finnart 1-5 Jeanfield Swifts (@ Riverside Stadium, Perth)	58.1	150
Second	Kinnoull 1-3 Harthill Royal	57.8	150
Second	Glasgow University 0-2 Luncarty	56.5	150
Second	Whitburn Juniors 1-3 Gala Fairydean Rovers	53.6	150
Fourth	Beith Juniors 0-1 Bo’ness United (Mar 5, post Feb 5)	53.3	150
Third	Sauchie Juniors 3-2 Preston Athletic	52.7	150
Fourth	Stirling University 2-1 Hurlford United (Feb 2)	51.8	150
Third	Hurlford United 2-1 Blackburn United	50.7	150
Third	Ormiston 1-2 Thorniewood United	50.5	150
Third	Auchinleck Talbot 7-1 West Calder United	49.1	0
First	Bellshill Athletic 2-5 Dundonald Bluebell	48.8	0
First	Whitehill Welfare 2-4 Coldstream	46.5	0
Quarter finals	Jeanfield Swifts 3-4 Spartans	46.2	0
Fourth	Civil Service Strollers 1-3 Jeanfield Swifts (Mar 5, post Feb 5)	45.5	0
Second	Ormiston 2-0 Hawick Royal Albert United	45.3	0
Third	Maybole Juniors 3-0 St Anthonys	45.1	0
Third	Bonnyrigg Rose 4-0 Coldstream	44.9	0
Second	Troon 3-1 Lanark United	44.3	0
Second	Lugar Boswell Thistle wo-scr Heston Rovers	44.3	0
Second	Preston Athletic 2-1 Peebles Rovers	40.8	0
Fourth	Renfrew 3-4 Bo’ness Athletic	40.7	0
Quarter finals	East Kilbride 0-2 Sauchie Juniors	40.6	0
Third	Cumbernauld Colts – Tynecastle	40.1	0
Second	Auchinleck Talbot 1-0 Forth Wanderers	40.1	0
First	Pumpherston Juniors 5-1 Vale of Leithen	40	0
First	Syngenta wo-scr Newburgh (post Sept 11)	38.9	0
Second	Jeanfield Swifts 2-0 Broomhill	38.1	0
Fifth	Auchinleck Talbot 3-1 Caledonian Braves (Mar 9)	37.9	0
Fifth	Bo’ness Athletic 1-4 East Kilbride (Mar 5)	37.6	0
Fourth	Dundonald Bluebell 2-1 Tranent Juniors (Mar 8, post Feb 5 & Mar 5)	37.4	0
Second	Saltcoats Victoria 1-8 Glasgow United	37.3	0
Third	Syngenta 3-1 Edinburgh United	37.1	0
Second	Irvine Victoria 0-1 Vale of Leven	37	0
Third	Bo’ness United 3-0 East Kilbride Thistle	36.4	0
First	Preston Athletic wo-scr Fauldhouse United (post Sept 11)	35.9	0
Fifth	Dundonald Bluebell 0-4 Bonnyrigg Rose (Mar 22)	35.3	0
First	St Roch’s 1-2 Largs Thistle	35.1	0
Second	Burntisland Shipyard 1-3 Stirling University	34.2	0
Second	Largs Thistle 5-1 Glasgow Perthshire	34.1	0
Fifth	Bo’ness United – Petershill (Mar 23)	33.2	0
First	Upper Annandale 0-4 Lesmahagow Juniors	33	0
Third	Whitletts Victoria 1-2 Arthurlie	32.5	0
Third	Kilbirnie Ladeside 3-4 Caledonian Braves	32.4	0
Third	Lesmahagow Juniors 0-5 Drumchapel United	32.4	0
Second	Blantyre Victoria 2-0 Cumnock Juniors	32.4	0
Quarter finals	Auchinleck Talbot 2-1 Pollok	32.1	0
Fourth	Spartans 4-3 Syngenta	31.3	0
First	Glasgow United 4-1 Dalry Thistle	30.7	0
Fourth	Vale of Leven 3-0 Thorniewood United (Mar 5, post Feb 5)	30.6	0
First	Tranent Juniors wo-scr Livingston United (post Sept 11)	30.5	0
Second	Cumbernauld United 1-0 Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts	30.4	0
Second	Hurlford United 4-0 Wishaw Juniors	29.8	0
First	Ashfield 4-6 Greenock Juniors	29.7	0
First	Nithsdale Wanderers 2-7 Hurlford United	29.4	0
First	Kinnoull 5-2 Lochgelly Albert	29.4	0
Fourth	Linlithgow Rose 2-1 Blantyre Victoria	29.1	0
Third	Petershill 5-0 Greenock Juniors	29.1	0
Second	Bo’ness United wo-scr Kirkcaldy & Dysart– Kirkcaldy unable to fulfil	29.1	0
Third	Blantyre Victoria 3-3(3-1p) Broxburn Athletic	29	0
Second	Cumbernauld Colts 2-0 Rosyth (Oct 15)	28.8	0
First	Edinburgh South 2-4 Whitburn Juniors	27.8	0
Fourth	Maybole Juniors 1-4 Darvel (Mar 5, post Feb 5)	27.4	0
Fifth	Stirling University 1-3 Pollok (Mar 5 @ Westfield Park)	26.7	0
Third	Pollok 2-1 Harthill Royal	26.4	0
First	Craigroyston 2-6 Armadale Thistle	26.3	0
Third	Largs Thistle 1-2 Troon	26.1	0
Quarter finals	Bonnyrigg Rose 3-0 Bo’ness United	25.8	0
Second	Muirkirk 2-4 Whitletts Victoria	24.6	0
Fourth	Irvine Meadow XI 1-3 Auchinleck Talbot (Mar 5, post Feb 5)	24.2	0
Third	Darvel 5-1 Cambuslang Rangers (Jan 15)	23.5	0
First	Kilsyth Athletic 1-3 Oakley United (@ Blairwood Park)	23.4	0
Second	Tynecastle 1-0 Armadale Thistle	22.7	0
Third	Beith Juniors 2-1 Rossvale	22.6	0
Second	Glenrothes 3-1 St Andrews United	21.6	0
Third	Haddington Athletic 0-2 Spartans	20.8	0
First	Hill of Beath Hawthorn 1-2 Sauchie Juniors	20.7	0
Second	Kilbirnie Ladeside 4-1 Port Glasgow Juniors	20.4	0
Second	Bo’ness Athletic 3-1 Gartcairn (Oct 15)	20.2	0
Fourth	Cumbernauld Colts 0-5 East Kilbride	19.9	0
Second	Lochar Thistle 2-5 Threave Rovers	18.9	0
Fourth	Caledonian Braves 2-1 Drumchapel United	18.8	0
First	Carluke Rovers 1-6 Cambuslang Rangers	18.1	0
Fifth	Linlithgow Rose 1-3 Sauchie Juniors (Mar 22)	18	0
Second	Johnstone Burgh 1-2 Greenock Juniors	17.3	0
Third	Newmains United 0-4 East Kilbride	16.2	0
Second	Haddington Athletic 4-1 Leith Athletic	15.9	0
Fourth	Cumbernauld United 0-1 Petershill (Mar 5, post Feb 5)	15.3	0
Second	St Peter’s 1-4 Beith Juniors	15.3	0
Third	Cumbernauld United 1-0 Glasgow United	15.2	0
Second	Kilsyth Rangers 2-2(5-6p) Thorniewood United	14.5	0
Second	Dunipace 1-3 Sauchie Juniors	14.3	0
Second	Coldstream 3-0 Tweedmouth Rangers	14.2	0
Second	Syngenta 2-1 Oakley United	13.9	0
Second	Easthouses Lily MW 1-4 Spartans	13.7	0
First	Glenvale 0-5 Petershill (@ Petershill Park)	13.2	0
First	Caledonian Braves 3-1 Shotts Bon Accord	13	0
First	Haddington Athletic 2-1 Dunbar United	12.9	0
Second	Pumpherston Juniors 2-7 Edinburgh United	12.4	0
Second	Girvan 1-2 Maybole Juniors	11.7	0
Second	Edinburgh College 0-7 Penicuik Athletic	11.4	0
First	Glenafton Athletic 2-1 Craigmark Burntonians	11.3	0
Semi finals	Spartans 1-4 Bonnyrigg Rose (Apr 12)	11.2	0
Second	Larkhall Thistle 0-3 East Kilbride	10.4	0
Second	Thornton Hibs 1-4 Lochore Welfare	10.3	0
First	Maryhill 1-2 Arthurlie	10.3	0
First	Kilbirnie Ladeside 9-0 Ardeer Thistle	9.9	0
First	Beith Juniors 2-1 Neilston	9.4	0
Second	Newtongrange Star 1-2 Tranent Juniors	9.3	0
Second	Linlithgow Rose 2-1 Camelon Juniors	9.2	0
Fourth	Clydebank 1-2 Pollok	8.5	0
First	Edinburgh University 1-1(5-4p) Heriot Watt University	8.4	0
First	Camelon Juniors 2-1 Kirkintilloch Rob Roy	8.4	0
Second	Glenafton Athletic 3-3(4-1p) Kello Rovers	7.9	0
First	Royal Albert 2-3 Wishaw Juniors	7.9	0
First	Musselburgh Athletic 0-1 Tynecastle	7.7	0
Second	West Calder United 2-1 Bathgate Thistle	7.5	0
Second	Dundonald Bluebell 1-0 Crossgates Primrose	7.4	0
Second	St Cadoc’s 3-4 Petershill (Oct 17)	7	0
Second	St Anthony’s 2-0 Rutherglen Glencairn	6.8	0
Second	Vale of Clyde 0-4 Pollok	6.8	0
First	East Stirlingshire 1-2 Linlithgow Rose	6.7	0
Second	Arthurlie 5-1 Benburb	6	0
First	Kilwinning Rangers 7-0 Ardrossan Winton Rovers	5.5	0
Second	Edinburgh University 2-0 Dalkeith Thistle	5.4	0
Second	Harmony Row 0-5 Clydebank	5.3	0
Second	Irvine Meadow XI 5-3 Kilwinning Rangers	5	0
Third	Lochore Welfare 0-3 Dundonald Bluebell	4.9	0
Second	Bonnyrigg Rose 9-1 Arniston Rangers	3.3	0
Second	Blackburn United 4-3 Stoneyburn Juniors	2.4	0
Second	Yoker Athletic 0-3 Drumchapel United	1.9	0
Second	Lothian Thistle HV 1-2 Civil Service Strollers	1.6	0
Second	Finnart 5-2 BSC Glasgow	0	0
Second	Renfrew wo-scr Westerton United	0	0

 

[Burnieman]

They should just call it the Challenge Cup.   That name has largely been dropped by the SPFL (SPFL Trophy) so why not use it, even better if the SFA can be persuaded to chuck in some sheckles, in which case the SFA Challenge Cup.

[parsforlife]

Am I right in thinking that home club keeps all takings?

Perhaps that needs looked into,  either to a split gate with a reduced contribution to travel costs or a a percentage of takings going to the central pot to help cover travel costs .

[Burnieman]

2 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

Am I right in thinking that home club keeps all takings?

Perhaps that needs looked into,  either to a split gate with a reduced contribution to travel costs or a a percentage of takings going to the central pot to help cover travel costs .

Yes.

Some form of levy on gate takings into a central pot for travel costs would certainly help. I have no idea how much the sponsor puts into the competition, but it is high profile enough to demand a decent fee.

[FairWeatherFan]

16 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

Am I right in thinking that home club keeps all takings?

Perhaps that needs looked into,  either to a split gate with a reduced contribution to travel costs or a a percentage of takings going to the central pot to help cover travel costs .

Home club keeps all the gate and the club's in the final don't get anything. There's no prize money. There was a history of travel expenses paid after 50+ miles but that apparently changed to 80+ miles.

I don't think many people have focused on tinkering with the South Challenge Cup as there has been the proposals from within the leagues for a national non-league cup and the SJFA's proposal of expanding the Junior Scottish Cup.

The cup we have & the rules that make up it originated as a SoS/EoS inter-league cup where crowds would be very lucky to round up to a 100. Became a focal point with the creation of the Lowland League. Now though it is no longer fit for purpose.

Tinkering at the edges: reintroduction of regionalising the early rounds/amending the travel expenses. Isn't going to solve the problems.

[craigkillie]

They should just call it the Challenge Cup.   That name has largely been dropped by the SPFL (SPFL Trophy) so why not use it, even better if the SFA can be persuaded to chuck in some sheckles, in which case the SFA Challenge Cup.

The SPFL Trust sponsor it which is why it is called the SPFL Trust Trophy. The competition is still called the Challenge Cup in the same way that the League Cup is still the League Cup even though Premier Sports currently sponsor it.

[invergowrie arab]

5 hours ago, Burnieman said:

They should just call it the Challenge Cup.   That name has largely been dropped by the SPFL (SPFL Trophy) so why not use it, even better if the SFA can be persuaded to chuck in some sheckles, in which case the SFA Challenge Cup.

The SFA already run a cup competition.

Maybe the LL could put some money in. They must be flush now 

[Burnieman]

21 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

The SPFL Trust sponsor it which is why it is called the SPFL Trust Trophy. The competition is still called the Challenge Cup in the same way that the League Cup is still the League Cup even though Premier Sports currently sponsor it.

Still no reason not to adopt the name by simply dropping "South"

[Burnieman]

16 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:

The SFA already run a cup competition.

Maybe the LL could put some money in. They must be flush now 

I'm sure they can run two.......the FA run three.

[FairWeatherFan]

Some of the Zones have been put online. Just the South-West section missing for now.

North West:

South-West:

 

North-East:

South-East:

 

Edited June 26, 2022 by FairWeatherFan

[FairWeatherFan]

NE 1st Round:

NE 2nd Round:

Edited June 26, 2022 by FairWeatherFan

[Footballfirst]

[Footballfirst]

[Footballfirst]

[Footballfirst]

I assume that Lochore Thistle should be Lochar Thistle.

Edited June 26, 2022 by Footballfirst

[Footballfirst]