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11 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Don't see why the 2nd wouldn't go down to 16.

It should.  The Third is the division that can accommodate probably 18 clubs, so if it goes upto 12 (all things being equal) for 23-24, then still plenty of space for any new applicants and to accommodate extra clubs bumped down from above as I'm assuming the EoS could be taking in a few new clubs from the LL over the next few seasons.

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2 hours ago, Burnieman said:

It should.  The Third is the division that can accommodate probably 18 clubs, so if it goes upto 12 (all things being equal) for 23-24, then still plenty of space for any new applicants and to accommodate extra clubs bumped down from above as I'm assuming the EoS could be taking in a few new clubs from the LL over the next few seasons.

For the sake of getting the Third Division away from being a West Lothian league, it really needs to be four (or five with a net LL gain) down. On current form it would be this for 23-24:

Newburgh *if net gain from LL
Ormiston
Peebles Rovers
Hawick Royal Albert United
Craigroyston
Stoneyburn
Livingston United
Edinburgh College
West Calder United
Fauldhouse United
Bathgate Thistle
Pumpherston Juniors
Harthill

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5 hours ago, Ginaro said:

For the sake of getting the Third Division away from being a West Lothian league, it really needs to be four (or five with a net LL gain) down. On current form it would be this for 23-24:

Newburgh *if net gain from LL
Ormiston
Peebles Rovers
Hawick Royal Albert United
Craigroyston
Stoneyburn
Livingston United
Edinburgh College
West Calder United
Fauldhouse United
Bathgate Thistle
Pumpherston Juniors
Harthill

Doesn't look good for Newburgh!

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On 28/05/2022 at 23:18, Ginaro said:

The rankings at http://scotscores.theroonba.com/clubrank/clubrankepr.html and other pages have been updated to show the new linear leagues. Apart from VOL and the Second/Third Division top 2 it's quite tight everywhere, which is to be expected now we finally have tiers 6-9 sorted.

Premier - Linlithgow winners; Mussleburgh, Oakley, VOL relegated. 

First - Dunipace, Kirkcaldy & Dysart, Glenrothes top 3; Burntisland, Coldstream, Rosyth bottom 3.

Second - Whitburn, Syngenta, Heriot-Watt top 3; Ormiston, Peebles, Hawick, Craigroyston bottom 4

Third - Bo'ness and Armadale

If you're going to relegate us, at least spell our name correctly - Musselburgh 💙 I have my reservations about us this season, but I'd wager large we won't be relegated. 

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28 minutes ago, Passthebaw said:

If you're going to relegate us, at least spell our name correctly - Musselburgh 💙 I have my reservations about us this season, but I'd wager large we won't be relegated. 

Whoops :oops Well, since December you've only picked up two league wins (Camelon and LTV) and three draws, need to improve on that form to stay up...

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1 minute ago, Ginaro said:

Whoops :oops Well, since December you've only picked up two league wins (Camelon and LTV) and three draws, need to improve on that form to stay up...

Hence the significant change in personnel! Have faith! 😁

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11 hours ago, Burnieman said:

Doesn't look good for Newburgh!

First the EoS clubs keep the last tranch of the Juniors down, creating a bottleneck at the head of their Conference/Division. This even after a season which has shown how blatantly unfair this is. Next they show they're not too bothered about a number of the less successful clubs from outside the Lothians.

The League clubs should check out the informal Playing Rankings and the informal average attendances (i.e. support) rankings and do the right thing now. Otherwise this imbalance is going to last for a minimum three seasons - which has always been completely unnecessary.

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In the Lowland Forum

20 hours ago, Dev said:

If it is for "ONE SEASON ONLY" then the "RECOMMENDATIONS PROPOSED AHEAD OF THE 2023/24 SEASON" part doesn't make sense. This is because it suggests that the recommendations would come into being in time for the start of the 2023/24 season. To do that they need to be agreed ahead of the start of the 2022/23 season. This is standard practice. That's why leagues have AGM's etc to make changes to the structures, rules, regulations etc.. It is so that clubs/teams know what they are playing for i.e. promotions and relegations.

 

10 hours ago, Dev said:

You cannot have change by the start of 23/24 unless it is all sorted and approved a season ahead. Clubs have to know which position in the league table means promotion/safety/relegation before a league season even starts.

Meanwhile in the EoS its the same old just make it up and force it through it because...???

17 minutes ago, Dev said:

First the EoS clubs keep the last tranch of the Juniors down, creating a bottleneck at the head of their Conference/Division. This even after a season which has shown how blatantly unfair this is. Next they show they're not too bothered about a number of the less successful clubs from outside the Lothians.

The League clubs should check out the informal Playing Rankings and the informal average attendances (i.e. support) rankings and do the right thing now. Otherwise this imbalance is going to last for a minimum three seasons - which has always been completely unnecessary.

 

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1 hour ago, Dev said:

First the EoS clubs keep the last tranch of the Juniors down, creating a bottleneck at the head of their Conference/Division. This even after a season which has shown how blatantly unfair this is. Next they show they're not too bothered about a number of the less successful clubs from outside the Lothians.

The League clubs should check out the informal Playing Rankings and the informal average attendances (i.e. support) rankings and do the right thing now. Otherwise this imbalance is going to last for a minimum three seasons - which has always been completely unnecessary.

Ah, so NOW you want things to change AFTER the season has been completed under rules agreed a year ago, and based on some gadgies made-up rankings?  You really need to let this obsession go.

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39 minutes ago, patriot1 said:

Should we be worried about this “pyramid review”? Too many “established” teams dropping out the SPFL for the bigwigs liking? 

East of Scotland members are in control of what happens within their league, nobody else.  However, I can see this whole shit show boiling down to "if you want more promotion to the LL, accept B teams"

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2 hours ago, patriot1 said:

Should we be worried about this “pyramid review”? Too many “established” teams dropping out the SPFL for the bigwigs liking? 

Do you think they really care Cowdenbeath or the next holders of the wooden spoon drop out?

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9 hours ago, Dev said:

First the EoS clubs keep the last tranch of the Juniors down, creating a bottleneck at the head of their Conference/Division. This even after a season which has shown how blatantly unfair this is. Next they show they're not too bothered about a number of the less successful clubs from outside the Lothians.

The League clubs should check out the informal Playing Rankings and the informal average attendances (i.e. support) rankings and do the right thing now. Otherwise this imbalance is going to last for a minimum three seasons - which has always been completely unnecessary.

ToT - Toddle of Twat. How thick are you? A broken record who keeps of scratching the same dirge. You are alone in your own wee world. The only ones that kept the last tranch of Juniors down are the teams themselves for reasons repeatedly told to you. 

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League structure for 2022/3;
 
  • Premier Division
  • Blackburn United
  • Broxburn Athletic
  • Crossgates Primrose
  • Dundonald Bluebell
  • Haddington Athletic
  • Hill of Beath Hawthorn
  • Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
  • Jeanfield Swifts
  • Linlithgow Rose
  • Lothian Thistle HH
  • Musselburgh Athletic
  • Oakley United
  • Penicuik Athletic
  • Sauchie Juniors
  • Tynecastle
  • Vale of Leithen
 
  • First Division
  • Burntisland Shipyard
  • Camelon Juniors
  • Coldstream
  • Dunbar United
  • Dunipace
  • Glenrothes
  • Kennoway Star Hearts
  • Kinnoull
  • Kirkcaldy & Dysart
  • Leith Athletic
  • Lochore Welfare
  • Luncarty
  • Newtongrange Star
  • Preston Athletic
  • Rosyth
  • Whitehill Welfare
 
  • Second Division
  • Arniston Rangers
  • Craigroyston
  • Dalkeith Thistle
  • Easthouses Lily MW
  • Edinburgh South
  • Edinburgh United
  • Hawick RA
  • Heriot Watt University
  • Lochgelly Albert
  • Newburgh Juniors
  • Ormiston Primrose
  • Peebles Rovers
  • St Andrews United
  • Stirling University EoS
  • Syngenta
  • Thornton Hibs
  • Tweedmouth Rangers
  • Whitburn
 
  • Third Division
  • Armadale Thistle
  • Bathgate Thistle
  • Bo'ness Athletic
  • Edinburgh College
  • Fauldhouse United
  • Harthill Royal
  • Livingston United
  • Pumpherston
  • Stoneyburn
  • West Calder United

 

What relegation and promotion was agreed at last night’s AGM?  Particularly between Divisions Two and Three?

 
Last edited: 44 minutes ago
 

 

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2 hours ago, Pyramidic said:
League structure for 2022/3;
 
  • Premier Division
  • Blackburn United
  • Broxburn Athletic
  • Crossgates Primrose
  • Dundonald Bluebell
  • Haddington Athletic
  • Hill of Beath Hawthorn
  • Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
  • Jeanfield Swifts
  • Linlithgow Rose
  • Lothian Thistle HH
  • Musselburgh Athletic
  • Oakley United
  • Penicuik Athletic
  • Sauchie Juniors
  • Tynecastle
  • Vale of Leithen
 
  • First Division
  • Burntisland Shipyard
  • Camelon Juniors
  • Coldstream
  • Dunbar United
  • Dunipace
  • Glenrothes
  • Kennoway Star Hearts
  • Kinnoull
  • Kirkcaldy & Dysart
  • Leith Athletic
  • Lochore Welfare
  • Luncarty
  • Newtongrange Star
  • Preston Athletic
  • Rosyth
  • Whitehill Welfare
 
  • Second Division
  • Arniston Rangers
  • Craigroyston
  • Dalkeith Thistle
  • Easthouses Lily MW
  • Edinburgh South
  • Edinburgh United
  • Hawick RA
  • Heriot Watt University
  • Lochgelly Albert
  • Newburgh Juniors
  • Ormiston Primrose
  • Peebles Rovers
  • St Andrews United
  • Stirling University EoS
  • Syngenta
  • Thornton Hibs
  • Tweedmouth Rangers
  • Whitburn
 
  • Third Division
  • Armadale Thistle
  • Bathgate Thistle
  • Bo'ness Athletic
  • Edinburgh College
  • Fauldhouse United
  • Harthill Royal
  • Livingston United
  • Pumpherston
  • Stoneyburn
  • West Calder United

 

What relegation and promotion was agreed at last night’s AGM?  Particularly between Divisions Two and Three?

 
Last edited: 44 minutes ago

 

 

Whitburn & Syngenta are in for an easy Division 2 next season, I can only see them dropping points to each other.

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7 hours ago, Pyramidic said:

What relegation and promotion was agreed at last night’s AGM?  Particularly between Divisions Two and Three?

 
Last edited: 44 minutes ago

Wouldn't go that far but it looks like a league where about three quarters will have minus goal difference by the end of the season. 

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