David W Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 The fact which I always find more baffling than including the B teams at all, is the fact they can use players who are on loan elsewhere in the SPFL, thereby leaving them cup-tied. Was there not a game recently where Dundee were playing players against Peterhead, who were on loan at Peterhead? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 minute ago, David W said: The fact which I always find more baffling than including the B teams at all, is the fact they can use players who are on loan elsewhere in the SPFL, thereby leaving them cup-tied. Was there not a game recently where Dundee were playing players against Peterhead, who were on loan at Peterhead? IIRC there were 3 players withdrawn by Dundee that day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: The B teams are absolutely killing what was a decent lower league diddy competition. It's been on a downward spiral for years but that really was a death knell for it. 4 hours ago, craigkillie said: I'm no fan of the B teams being involved (though it's nowhere near as bad as having them in the league system), but I'm not sure that the level of interest in what basically amounts to a preliminary round really tells you anything about the popularity of the competition. 8 of the 11 proper teams playing in this round wouldn't even have been in the competition under the traditional format (6 out of 11 from 2014 onwards). Appreciate I'm in a minority of about 1 but I've never really seen why people get their knickers so twisted about the B teams. It's an SPFL competition and I don't see any great issue with all the SPFL members taking part in it. The Premiership sides field kids teams and, barring Rangers slightly fortunate run to the semi finals a few years back, are routinely papped out the first time they play anyone decent. In fact as seen by the fact 7 of them lost in this round, they are pretty routinely papped out by teams that aren't decent! I'm not really convinced that they get anything out of it though. The notion that they are learning from senior football exposure is somewhat negated by being punted in 90 minutes by Brechin or Buckie! I don't see the competition as any more devalued than it was 20 years ago really and I didn't care one iota that Colt sides started in it when we were playing Raith in the final last season. 1 hour ago, David W said: The fact which I always find more baffling than including the B teams at all, is the fact they can use players who are on loan elsewhere in the SPFL, thereby leaving them cup-tied. Was there not a game recently where Dundee were playing players against Peterhead, who were on loan at Peterhead? Meh, the reason the guys are allowed to go out on loan in the first place is that the big sides can recall them to fill out their youth sides in age level competition, which this is for them. And not withstanding what I said above, supposedly its their best chance of exposing the rest of their squad to a cup run against senior players. I don't think it's unreasonable that they want to play their strongest youth side in it. We've lost on loan goalkeeper Tom Ritchie cup tied for the competition now that he played for Aberdeen (fruitlessly) last night. It is what it is though. It's not a surprise. We knew when he came on loan they wanted him back to play in this. There has been a rule change this season though as a direct result of that Dundee game against Peterhead last season. You are now no longer permitted to play against a team you are on loan to. In that situation Dundee could still of course insist the players weren't cup tied and remained eligible for them in it but they wouldn't have been allowed to play against Peterhead. Edited August 10, 2022 by Skyline Drifter -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, David W said: The fact which I always find more baffling than including the B teams at all, is the fact they can use players who are on loan elsewhere in the SPFL, thereby leaving them cup-tied. Was there not a game recently where Dundee were playing players against Peterhead, who were on loan at Peterhead? Yeah lol, we played all 3 of our loanees at Peterhead against them, got beat, and they were cup-tied and couldn't play for them in the next round. I'd like to assume that was our way of showing the SPFL how ridiculous having B teams in this competition is, but I'd be kidding myself tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Shaker Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Hearts first scorer last night is being listed as Connor Smith in various places, and Michael Smith in others. Anyone able to confirm? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Jimmy Shaker said: Hearts first scorer last night is being listed as Connor Smith in various places, and Michael Smith in others. Anyone able to confirm? Definitely Connor. It also wasn't Robbie Neilson playing in their back four despite what some places have suggested. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Shaker Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Definitely Connor. It also wasn't Robbie Neilson playing in their back four despite what some places have suggested. Braw. Many thanks. Is there a legit line-up online anywhere? Soccerway has Neilson in the side, as does a screenshot I've seen from Sky Sports. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Just now, Jimmy Shaker said: Braw. Many thanks. Is there a legit line-up online anywhere? Soccerway has Neilson in the side, as does a screenshot I've seen from Sky Sports. Lewis Neilson, no? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Shaker Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Lewis Neilson, no? Nope, listed in places as 42-year-old Robbie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 That's the level of giving of fucks given you're dealing with here. They see Smith and Neilson and surmise the 33 year old first team right back is playing for the reserve team, as is the 42 year old first team manager. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Jimmy Shaker said: Braw. Many thanks. Is there a legit line-up online anywhere? Soccerway has Neilson in the side, as does a screenshot I've seen from Sky Sports. The rest of the line-up will be correct with Lewis Neilson and Connor Smith in place of their somewhat older namesakes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBoy2022 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 20 hours ago, Cardle is Magic said: Why should crowds show up when they have no interest in watching a meaningless competition? Will be hard enough to afford proper games for a lot of folk this season, never mind this nonsense. But is it a meaningless competition if its the only chance of silverware these teams have got? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 hour ago, MrBoy2022 said: But is it a meaningless competition if its the only chance of silverware these teams have got? League titles count as silverware. Every single club would rather win their league that whatever this cup is called these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardle is Magic Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 hours ago, MrBoy2022 said: But is it a meaningless competition if its the only chance of silverware these teams have got? Who cares if you win a competition that includes youth teams? Any value the tournament had ended as soon as they were introduced. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Jimmy Shaker said: Hearts first scorer last night is being listed as Connor Smith in various places, and Michael Smith in others. Anyone able to confirm? Definitely Connor as my mate was there. He also took this photie which has the numbers of the subs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 On 10/08/2022 at 13:53, MrBoy2022 said: That's not going to happen anytime soon. Crowds need to come and watch their team. Good business plan. Never mind the quality of the product, it's the customers' duty to buy it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrman2011 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Indeed. B teams have been successful & I hope one of them wins this competition in the future -7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardle is Magic Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 38 minutes ago, mrman2011 said: Indeed. B teams have been successful & I hope one of them wins this competition in the future He was being sarcastic you brain donor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 The introduction of B teams into the Challenge Cup has reinvigorated the competition. It's like having another Scottish Cup/League Cup but instead of the current Premiership teams it is Premiership teams from the future. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Richey Edwards said: The introduction of B teams into the Challenge Cup has reinvigorated the competition. It's like having another Scottish Cup/League Cup but instead of the current Premiership teams it is Premiership teams future World Cup winning Scotland internationalists from the future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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