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🇱🇻 Arbroath v ICTFC 🇱🇺 - WILLIE COLLUM IN THE MUD


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26 minutes ago, stan3600 said:


Did Jack Hamilton win the ball? Yes. Was he past the defender? Yes. Did the defender put his arms round Hamilton and bring him down? Yes. Was he the last man? Yes. Would VAR have changed the decision? no. I was standing level with it. It was obvious. What’s your problem?

My problem is that Collum couldn't possibly have seen that from where he was positioned.  Your player wasn't past the defender as both were falling and there is no way he would have got the ball even if he had stayed on his feet, difficult for Arbroath players I know. Irrelevant now as Arbroath were found out for what they were all season, a one trick pony with no ability to play differently. 

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He didn’t have his arms around him though. Devine fell to the ground and as he does he can obviously feel contact and throws himself down. Anyone with eyes and a brain knows it’s not a red.

So it’s yes to everything except “he didn’t have his arms round him” (which he clearly did) - but he did bring him down. Ah well, doesn’t matter now.
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6 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Are binmen generally in the business of doing deliveries?

I dunno, Linn delivered some top quality lolz last night.

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3 hours ago, timlichtie said:

I was at the game. Didn’t hear Stewart but he’s generally one of the more honest and entertaining pundits.
Inverness played 120 minutes of ugly anti football. They were lucky to only lose 2 players to red cards. Broadfoot stated post match that they’d been practicing penalties all week. Says it all.

Of course you practice penalties ! Why wouldn’t you ? If the prize is potentially massive for your club . I wouldn’t say Arbroath are pleasing to the eye at times Inverness done what they had to with 9 men it was Arbroath’s fault they couldn’t find a way past. 
 

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The best opportunity to win last night was when ICT went down to 9 due to injury in the second half. You knew that when they got that 10th player back in extra time that it was going to go to penalties.

As soon as they went to 9 we should have brought on Wighton or/and Ford and thrown the kitchen sink at it. They were still doubling up on Linn and J Hamilton so putting extra players up front would have opened the space a bit more. This season has proved that we have a huge issue with breaking down ICT (one goal in 570 minutes of football) so extra attacking bodies in the box and throwing the ball in at every opportunity was the only way to do it - imo.

Yet again bringing Donnelly on was a big mistake - as has been said a million and one times, he’s a good player but is not effective when chasing a goal. just not the right choice in a close, tight, physical game and his goal scoring record is abysmal. By my reckoning, his last league goal was over two years ago and his bent double weird attempt from 3 yards near the end when he just needed to attack the ball with any available body part, sums him up completely.

Crap symmetry that our season was bookmarked by tight games ending in defeat to ICT.

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4 minutes ago, stan3600 said:


No and no, which should be top of our priority list to fix.

Completely agree. We used to have one and it’s crazy that we don’t now. Even Elgin have a youth setup and age group teams.

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So it’s yes to everything except “he didn’t have his arms round him” (which he clearly did) - but he did bring him down. Ah well, doesn’t matter now.

No he didn’t bring him down. A player feeling a bit of contact and throwing yourself down isn’t the same as being brought down.

Hamilton took a gamble on Collum being an idiot instead of actually trying to score. If he’d done the latter maybe Arbroath would’ve gone through.
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2 minutes ago, stan3600 said:


No and no, which should be top of our priority list to fix.

Think this is your managers Achilles heel because if Arbroath are to establish themselves as a championship team this will have to be there priority because just looking at the squad at the moment it’s more or less the same one from the last 4/5 seasons 

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He didn’t have his arms around him though. Devine fell to the ground and as he does he can obviously feel contact and throws himself down. Anyone with eyes and a brain knows it’s not a red.
It's a foul every day of the week.

The debate is whether it should have been a yellow or a red. In real time it looks like red - it's only with the benefit of umpteen replays that I'm leaning towards yellow.


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3 hours ago, Huisdean50 said:

Only one team played anti football over the two legs and it wasn't ICT. Remember Arbroath trying to get McAlear sent off in the first leg when your player wasn't even touched by him 

 

Whattt? ICT barely crossed the halfway line in two of the halves (of the 4 in the two ties so dwe saw only the most fleeting glances of these silky skills you imply while of course you had the excuse of going a man down so that justified hanging on for penalties - which looked like ICT strategy from the outset.  No team with Broadfoot in it can claim to be a footballing side.  But yes ICT are athletic and physical.  The fact is Arbroath didn’t show composure at key moments, didn’t exploit the player numerical advantage and didn’t get the break of the ball but only one team was actually trying to win that (even when 11 against 11).  Winning the penalty lottery doesn’t really offer a strong platform to claim to be a footballing side.

I’m relieved our great season is over and won’t bother watching the final due to its probable lack of entertainment value and football talent.

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Now that I'm over the frustration and disappointment of last night (at Gayfield that is) I'm glad the season's over. It may have been a one off, we might not do as well again for a while but it was good. We have the Championship player of the year and players in the Championship team of the year, and finished runner up in the league, a truly outstanding season for the club.

I have to agree with Tattie36 regarding Luke Donnelly. Every time he is in the side I hope that he will show us what the manager sees in him but he just continues to do what he has done since he's been with the club, which is next to f**k all.

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5 hours ago, timlichtie said:

I was at the game. Didn’t hear Stewart but he’s generally one of the more honest and entertaining pundits.
Inverness played 120 minutes of ugly anti football. They were lucky to only lose 2 players to red cards. Broadfoot stated post match that they’d been practicing penalties all week. Says it all.

I was there too and that's exactly right. Ridgers was wasting time at every place kick long before ICT went down to ten men. It was extremely negative tactics by Dodds, I was disappointed with him.

That said, I don't think it will bother him too much. He and his team got what they wanted and Dodds will think he's reached the minimum aim for the season by reaching the play-off final with a financially backed Killie always favourites. His team could have won it in the last minute of normal time with that brilliant solo run (Hardy?)as could've Arbroath in the second-half of extra time with the header off the bar.

The game was awful but compelling. Kirk Clubfoot marshalled the rearguard action well. Arbroath will rue the missed opportunity. They didn't stretch the opposition defence enough and the longer it remained 0-0 you just knew there was going to be a sting in the tail with penalties. They must put it aside and go again next season. It's going to be fascinating  with Dundee and Cove Rangers also in the league.

I've never been to Gayfield before with that kind of numbers and it didn't handle it well. Because of the segregation there was only one exit for the home fans and it meant it was impossible to get out if you were located on the East Terrace (I felt like Tom McKean getting boxed in for the umpteenth time). However, someone removed the fencing behind the South End and plenty took advantage (it had to be done). Also, port-a-loos aren't the best for a crowd of that size but at least if you were in the one closest to the South End you could still see the pitch from air vents around the top...😁

I was surprised by the passion and noise of the ICT travelling fans. A very good performance from them if not from the teams on the pitch.

Gutted that it was Bobby Linn that missed. It reminded of me of his and Simon Murray's performance in a 2015 play-off against Queen's Park. From 0-2 down, Linn destroyed Quuen's Park and set up Simon Murray for a double. That's how I prefer to remember Bobby Linn rather than that miss last night. I actually thought that he added a bit of attacking threat when he came on.

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2 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

Gutted that it was Bobby Linn that missed. It reminded of me of his and Simon Murray's performance in a 2015 play-off against Queen's Park. From 0-2 down, Linn destroyed Quuen's Park and set up Simon Murray for a double. That's how I prefer to remember Bobby Linn rather than that miss last night. I actually thought that he added a bit of attacking threat when he came on.

I guarantee you that not one single Arbroath fan will resent Linn for his penalty last night or blame him for the loss. Even though the short run up pretty much telegraphed where he was putting it, Ridgers still had to make the save. Thought he also played well when he came on and delighted he’s got another years contract.

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