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🇱🇻 Arbroath v ICTFC 🇱🇺 - WILLIE COLLUM IN THE MUD


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15 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Not so, the last time we played there in Apr 2018 the infrastructure was a shambles, odd coloured seats all over the place, open terracing and grass walkways all reminiscent of last century, we absolutely pumped them that day and then they had the fuckin cheek to say we had broken fifteen seats, ( which was a fuckin lie as the seats were broken when we arrived), and then demanded compensation, a total dump of a stadium???????????????????????

Oh I remember that day. That was when your young team had their cans of shandy confiscated and they threw the toys out of the pram and went on the rampage.  

You were obviously not there as the terracing is concreted , no grass walkways and there is a covered terrace behind one goal. Your fabrication fools no one.  The majority of normal people actually love the place. 

Your daytripper fans were an embarrasment that day . 

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10 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
10 hours ago, itzdrk said:
Hard not to feel sorry for Arbroath not doing it after such a good season.  But when they shat it against Kilmarnock they lost my sympathy and I'm more interested in a good away day for me than them enjoying themselves.  Arbroath is one, Inverness is not. 
When they didn't manage to create a chance against 9 men the first time it was pretty obvious what was going to happen.  
Didn't think the first red was one but I was surprised by the reaction on twitter to the second, looked like he was out of control so surprised it was only a yellow. 
Id like rid of Inverness but can't see them troubling St Johnstone (nor would Arbroath) so likely all pointless endeavour.  

Michael Stewart's reaction to the Duffy red card was just hysterical over the top pish.

 

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a one sided refereeing display in my entire life.
If it was an under 13s game, and the referee got injured, and they had to bring a da in from the crowd to be referee, you’d still be saying he’s a shite referee based on Collum’s performance. 

One sided favouring who?
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The quality of football was absolutely atrocious but as a neutral I loved watching it with all the controversy and heightened emotions. On BBC Scotland at the end you could see there had been an editorial decision to row back on Michael Stewart's comments, with Leanne Crichton and Jonathan Sutherland talking about how the sendings off were more justifiable than he had made out.

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1 hour ago, Otis Blue said:

Wasn't the "classic" that BBC described it - ie little in the way of free flowing football with defences on top and neither side having the guile to create quality chances. But it certainly had drama due to the importance of the game, the effort and endeavour of the teams, the odd decisions and how Caley coped in the face of adversity. It was written in the stars that it would go to penalties and Caley would win it.

I know Collum is a favourite hate figure for fans but I could easily see how he gave the first red - particularly in real time and from a distance (the defender fell and in falling his arms did go round Hamilton's waist, even if unintentionally). With the benefit of 6 replays which the viewers had he probably wouldn't have shown red. The second red was just a fair and hard tackle though and Collum didn't have the excuse of being distant.

Commiserations to Arbroath for cheering up a poor season, but that's fitba folks - it ain't a perfect world.

I don't think the sendings off can be defended at all. Collum was still in the Arbroath half for the first one so how could he be a 100%sure it was a sending off. Linesman was still running towards the corner flag and wasn't raising his flag for a foul yey was much closer to the incident. Collum guessed this decision, pure and simple which is unacceptable. 

For the second sending off, Collum has a perfect view of the incident, doesn't blow for a foul immediately and then decides, on the Arbroath player's reaction, not for the first time, to blow for a foul, book Duffy and send him off. Duffy clearly got the ball and didn't foul Linn. Michael Stewart was spot on in his reaction. 

Would Collum have made the same decisions in an old firm game, off course not. 

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I was at the game. Didn’t hear Stewart but he’s generally one of the more honest and entertaining pundits.
Inverness played 120 minutes of ugly anti football. They were lucky to only lose 2 players to red cards. Broadfoot stated post match that they’d been practicing penalties all week. Says it all.

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I think that's the point though.
Arbroath are incredibly unlikely to repeat the most remarkable form they've shown in living memory.
Next time round, they're much more likely to be relegated than find themselves atop the league for much of the season.
I don't imagine they'll get another chance like that.
Look at Leicester City the year after the fairy tale of winning the EPL they were almost relegated the next season, I think something similar could happen next season.
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I was at the game. Didn’t hear Stewart but he’s generally one of the more honest and entertaining pundits.
Inverness played 120 minutes of ugly anti football. They were lucky to only lose 2 players to red cards. Broadfoot stated post match that they’d been practicing penalties all week. Says it all.

Well if there’s a chance of the game going to penalties then of course you’re going to practise them. You’d be stupid not to.

ICT absolutely played for penalties when they went down to 9 men and they were clearly right to as it payed off for them. However Devine should never have been sent off and I that changes the game when it happens.

The fact is that Arbroath had a massive help in playing against 9 men and for all they’ve done this season blew it when they couldn’t even score a goal against them. Bottled it I’d say.
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49 minutes ago, theoriginalhedge said:

Michael Stewart and Billy Dodds............ BBC lovies.   

Stewart's bias was clear to hear from the moment he opened his mouth. 

Literally every other pundit and co-Commentator and the commentator were wanting Thistle to beat us, and then Arbroath to beat us. Stewart was merely trying to counter their bias and refused to stick to the narrative.

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Willie Collum has been barred from Roddy McGregor’s dads pub. That’s the kind of pettiness I’m here for.

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21 minutes ago, Superhursy7 said:
2 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:
I think that's the point though.
Arbroath are incredibly unlikely to repeat the most remarkable form they've shown in living memory.
Next time round, they're much more likely to be relegated than find themselves atop the league for much of the season.
I don't imagine they'll get another chance like that.

Look at Leicester City the year after the fairy tale of winning the EPL they were almost relegated the next season, I think something similar could happen next season.

Agree. Ayr will be relegated next season.

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I was at the game. Didn’t hear Stewart but he’s generally one of the more honest and entertaining pundits.
Inverness played 120 minutes of ugly anti football. They were lucky to only lose 2 players to red cards. Broadfoot stated post match that they’d been practicing penalties all week. Says it all.

Arbroath were equally as rotten except they didn’t have an excuse. Hardly tested ridgers at all
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Wasn't the "classic" that BBC described it - ie little in the way of free flowing football with defences on top and neither side having the guile to create quality chances. But it certainly had drama due to the importance of the game, the effort and endeavour of the teams, the odd decisions and how Caley coped in the face of adversity. It was written in the stars that it would go to penalties and Caley would win it.
I know Collum is a favourite hate figure for fans but I could easily see how he gave the first red - particularly in real time and from a distance (the defender fell and in falling his arms did go round Hamilton's waist, even if unintentionally). With the benefit of 6 replays which the viewers had he probably wouldn't have shown red. The second red was just a fair and hard tackle though and Collum didn't have the excuse of being distant.
Commiserations to Arbroath for cheering up a poor season, but that's fitba folks - it ain't a perfect world.
Fair and hard tackle 40 years ago.

But in the modern game it is reckless.

I get why people my be upset about it but you seriously have to question the sense of a player who dives in having already being booked for diving in.

Over the 2 games there really wasn't much in it either way - pretty dreadful stuff - and Arbroath only have themselves to blame for it going to penalties. Not just not bring able to break down 10 (then 9) men but their general insipid attack when they faced a full team. Inverness seemed happy to try and play on the counter and Arbroath kept punting long balls which were meat and drink to the Caley defence - absolutely no subtlety in the attack.
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2 hours ago, farflung lichtie said:

All that said, it may be a blessing in disguise that we didn’t progress, especially through the lottery of penalties.   We are probably at some kind of ceiling so even the final and if we somehow negotiated our way around that,  I’m not sure the prospect of a grim survival struggle in yet a higher league appealed. 

 

“Didn’t even want to get promoted anyway” is it? 

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48 minutes ago, Huisdean50 said:

I don't think the sendings off can be defended at all. Collum was still in the Arbroath half for the first one so how could he be a 100%sure it was a sending off. Linesman was still running towards the corner flag and wasn't raising his flag for a foul yey was much closer to the incident. Collum guessed this decision, pure and simple which is unacceptable. 

For the second sending off, Collum has a perfect view of the incident, doesn't blow for a foul immediately and then decides, on the Arbroath player's reaction, not for the first time, to blow for a foul, book Duffy and send him off. Duffy clearly got the ball and didn't foul Linn. Michael Stewart was spot on in his reaction. 

Well, for the first red - Collum should at least have conferred with his linesman first  (given his distance from the incident, and the proximity of the linesman) if he was thinking of showing a red card.  I'll agree with you there.

For the second red - I'm not disagreeing with you, we're on the same page.

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