2426255 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 They have a couple of good players. I managed to watch the first half of their game this morning and they weren't outplayed, weren't particularly weak defensively. Just seemed to struggle to get out of the Ukrainians high press (Like we did) and like all the pundits said lacked much penetration through the Ukrainian shape. I think the results paint a slightly unfair picture of them as a team. Both games could have had different outcomes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky1990 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, G51 said: All Kenny can really do is rotate in the likes of Obafemi, McClean and Browne. In other words, it doesn't matter what he does, they're fucked because they have shite players. Obafemi scored more in the English Championship than Lyndon Dykes last season. McClean has spend most his career playing regularly at a good level and has more international experience than any of our players. Browne is captain of Preston and has over 250 appearances at a good level down south. You could make an argument that those three players are better replacements on paper than Patterson, O'Donnell, Brown, Stewart, Dykes, Campbell, Ferguson, Kelly or Clark. I think we have the better team, but we shouldnt underestimate them, especially since most of their players play at similar level to a large part of our team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jacky1990 said: Obafemi scored more in the English Championship than Lyndon Dykes last season. McClean has spend most his career playing regularly at a good level and has more international experience than any of our players. Browne is captain of Preston and has over 250 appearances at a good level down south. You could make an argument that those three players are better replacements on paper than Patterson, O'Donnell, Brown, Stewart, Dykes, Campbell, Ferguson, Kelly or Clark. I think we have the better team, but we shouldnt underestimate them, especially since most of their players play at similar level to a large part of our team. He did score more than Lyndon Dykes, but he still only scored a grand total of twelve goals in thirty-two games. McClean is finished and has been for a long time. Browne offers nothing going forward, yet gets played in that role for Ireland. And anyway, we've seen many, many times that just because you amass appearances in the Championship doesn't mean you're any good. Robinson can't get a game for West Brom. Ogbene is actually a decent player, but he's incredibly raw. Parrott has 41 games and 8 goals in League One this year. You might be shitting yourself over that calibre of player, but I doubt anyone else is. They're at least one and maybe two levels below us. If we don't win here it would be a very disappointing result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky1990 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, G51 said: He did score more than Lyndon Dykes, but he still only scored a grand total of twelve goals in thirty-two games. McClean is finished and has been for a long time. Browne offers nothing going forward, yet gets played in that role for Ireland. And anyway, we've seen many, many times that just because you amass appearances in the Championship doesn't mean you're any good. Robinson can't get a game for West Brom. Ogbene is actually a decent player, but he's incredibly raw. Parrott has 41 games and 8 goals in League One this year. You might be shitting yourself over that calibre of player, but I doubt anyone else is. They're at least one and maybe two levels below us. If we don't win here it would be a very disappointing result. Where did I say anything remotely along the lines of saying I'm shitting it? I even said in that post I think we have the better team. I think we should win and will be disappointed if we dont. But they shouldnt be disrespected or discounted because it would be entirely like us to underestimate them and get beat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 14 hours ago, paddymcp said: That Armenia side was one of the worst I can remember in recent years to play at Hampden. If they can beat Ireland then the Irish must be absolute dug meat. Armenia were poor but I imagine they would be a different proposition playing at home in 30+ degree heat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, G51 said: He did score more than Lyndon Dykes, but he still only scored a grand total of twelve goals in thirty-two games. McClean is finished and has been for a long time. Browne offers nothing going forward, yet gets played in that role for Ireland. And anyway, we've seen many, many times that just because you amass appearances in the Championship doesn't mean you're any good. Robinson can't get a game for West Brom. Ogbene is actually a decent player, but he's incredibly raw. Parrott has 41 games and 8 goals in League One this year. You might be shitting yourself over that calibre of player, but I doubt anyone else is. They're at least one and maybe two levels below us. If we don't win here it would be a very disappointing result. We have to score to win ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Lurkst said: Armenia were poor but I imagine they would be a different proposition playing at home in 30+ degree heat. In the evening as well ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 CB: Souttar, Hanley and McKenna. WB: Patterson and Robbo. MF: Gilmour, Calmac and McGinn. FW. Adams and Christie. It isn't going to be as easy as last night. Eire dominated Armenia apparently and got suckered by a fantastic finish. Armenia had two clear chances against us last night and with a bit more composure would have scored one. It can happen, so I wouldn't read too much into that. They're absolutely the sort of team we'd struggle against and we need to use pace and incision to get behind them, hence Robbo and Pato on the wings with Gilmour playing sexy shroo balls to turn their defence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, velo army said: It isn't going to be as easy as last night. Eire dominated Armenia apparently and got suckered by a fantastic finish. Armenia had two clear chances against us last night and with a bit more composure would have scored one. It can happen, so I wouldn't read too much into that. I think Stephen Kenny was more or less spot on in what he said after the game. He doesn't obviously have the results to point to and so no-one gives it the time of day. They performed better than the results suggest. The way they play is quite similar in approach to Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, velo army said: CB: Souttar, Hanley and McKenna. WB: Patterson and Robbo. MF: Gilmour, Calmac and McGinn. FW. Adams and Christie. It isn't going to be as easy as last night. Eire dominated Armenia apparently and got suckered by a fantastic finish. Armenia had two clear chances against us last night and with a bit more composure would have scored one. It can happen, so I wouldn't read too much into that. They're absolutely the sort of team we'd struggle against and we need to use pace and incision to get behind them, hence Robbo and Pato on the wings with Gilmour playing sexy shroo balls to turn their defence. They didn't quite dominate them. Sure, they had more possession but they did very little with it. McGinn had more and better chances last night than Ireland did all game. Armenia sat deep, but had more attacking intent than they did against us. They counter-attacked quickly (like they tried last night). They scored a worldy, and had another brilliant strike chalked off for offside. Ireland could still be playing and wouldn't have scored. Armenia are dreadful. Ireland are a better side, but there's a reason they haven't won a competitive game in three years (10 games). Edited June 9, 2022 by HuttonDressedAsLahm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, HuttonDressedAsLahm said: They didn't quite dominate them. Sure, they had more possession but they did very little with it. McGinn had more and better chances last night than Ireland did all game. Armenia sat deep, but had more attacking intent than they did against us. They counter-attacked quickly (like they tried last night). They scored a worldy, and had another brilliant strike chalked off for offside. Ireland could still be playing and wouldn't have scored. Armenia are dreadful. Ireland are a better side, but there's a reason they haven't won a competitive game in three years (10 games). Thanks for that context. I hadn't realised Armenia had 10 shots. That's quite a riddy for Eire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy86 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Armstrong, Brown and Stewart try chance to start with Scotland face ireland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, velo army said: Thanks for that context. I hadn't realised Armenia had 10 shots. That's quite a riddy for Eire. I do however worry with your point otherwise, it's just going to be an FA Cup tie by another name. Games like that quickly descend to a level above the 'weaker' side, and below the 'stronger' side. With the way they're playing, a quick goal might kill it. Duffy and Egan, however, give me the fear at set pieces. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, HuttonDressedAsLahm said: They didn't quite dominate them. Sure, they had more possession but they did very little with it. McGinn had more and better chances last night than Ireland did all game. Armenia sat deep, but had more attacking intent than they did against us. They counter-attacked quickly (like they tried last night). They scored a worldy, and had another brilliant strike chalked off for offside. Ireland could still be playing and wouldn't have scored. Armenia are dreadful. Ireland are a better side, but there's a reason they haven't won a competitive game in three years (10 games). Not that it really takes away from the point, but they’ve won competitive games against both Azerbaijan and Luxembourg in the last couple of years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Ireland no victory in 12 nations league games, scoring 2 goals No competitive home victory in 3 years is it Everything points to an Ireland victory Saturday 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Binos said: Ireland no victory in 12 nations league games, scoring 2 goals No competitive home victory in 3 years is it Everything points to an Ireland victory Saturday Well, thanks for that. My son has already told me that he thought my earlier post was too negative. You've now given me even more of the fear! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Well, thanks for that. My son has already told me that he thought my earlier post was too negative. You've now given me even more of the fear! He'll learn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanbrush Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 x Tickets for sale Ireland section right next to Scotland fans bought for £140 sell for £90 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) From watching both games in detail, Ireland were competitive in both games: could have won, drawn or lost either. The way it worked out they lost both of the games. Ireland play according to the same or similar football principles as Scotland, based around positional play theory. In one sense it makes them quite predictable as it's unlikely they will change anything coming into the Scotland game (other than personnel) about their approach because added to the short turnaround time it takes a lot of time on the training pitch to become effective with this current approach - knowing what zones to be in and positions to take up. Stephen Kenny is invested in this approach. Edited June 9, 2022 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 No team from the island of Ireland has ever won a uefa nations league match. Mental. Let’s not be the first to lose against one of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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