Boo Khaki Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, ICTChris said: I don't think this is the case. There isn't some sort of organised campaign to discredit the SNP by refusing to fill out the census. The rate of response seems lowest in Glasgow, which is an SNP council and, IIRC, has all SNP MPs and MSPs. I'd also suggest that Glasgow is one of the places with a large and specific demographic who absolutely will weaponise anything they can associate with the SNP. You are correct that there doesn't appear to be any organised campaign of resistance, but things are so polarised politically that there doesn't really have to be one. Part of it will be down to people in certain areas being more likely to be disengaged entirely due to socio-economic reasons, but I think it's naive to suggest that there is not a significant element that will not complete it purely as some sort of personal protest against 'that wummin' and 'the single party state' etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Boo Khaki said: I'd also suggest that Glasgow is one of the places with a large and specific demographic who absolutely will weaponise anything they can associate with the SNP. You are correct that there doesn't appear to be any organised campaign of resistance, but things are so polarised politically that there doesn't really have to be one. Part of it will be down to people in certain areas being more likely to be disengaged entirely due to socio-economic reasons, but I think it's naive to suggest that there is not a significant element that will not complete it purely as some sort of personal protest against 'that wummin' and 'the single party state' etc. If there is a significant element doing so, then there would be supporting evidence for it based on completion rates. The SNP not being universally popular/unpopular in every single area of Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, virginton said: If there is a significant element doing so, then there would be supporting evidence for it based on completion rates. The SNP not being universally popular/unpopular in every single area of Scotland. Depends on how you are quantifying 'significant'. Personally, I'd say that even 0.5% - 1% refusing to complete for political reasons across the entire nation is a 'significant' number, but that's not likely to stand out like a sore thumb when you start comparing one area to another, because it's still a small enough number that you could argue any regional/city discrepancy of that size being down to just about anything you choose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: I'd also suggest that Glasgow is one of the places with a large and specific demographic who absolutely will weaponise anything they can associate with the SNP. You are correct that there doesn't appear to be any organised campaign of resistance, but things are so polarised politically that there doesn't really have to be one. Part of it will be down to people in certain areas being more likely to be disengaged entirely due to socio-economic reasons, but I think it's naive to suggest that there is not a significant element that will not complete it purely as some sort of personal protest against 'that wummin' and 'the single party state' etc. I would think large proportion of areas where English isn't spoken etc will be higher in Glasgow. And as you said the socio economic factors and related literacy rates. I filled mine in as I don't see huge issue with it. Guy at work had knock on door, he'd genuinely just forgotten. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, RH33 said: I would think large proportion of areas where English isn't spoken etc will be higher in Glasgow. And as you said the socio economic factors and related literacy rates. I filled mine in as I don't see huge issue with it. Guy at work had knock on door, he'd genuinely just forgotten. I think it's because there are so many lazy, pig ignorant b*****ds in Glasgow. Mainly from the indigenous population. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 You’d imagine sending paper copies to households that haven’t filled it in would help with awareness and participation, but that would involve some sort of joined up thinking from the government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 I remember last census loads of temporary jobs were offered in Inverness delivering the forms and doing follow up visits, alongside loads of publicity. Looks like they thought they could do it nearly all online this time on the cheap, and it hasn't worked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 I don't think this is the case. There isn't some sort of organised campaign to discredit the SNP by refusing to fill out the census. The rate of response seems lowest in Glasgow, which is an SNP council and, IIRC, has all SNP MPs and MSPs.The choobs I know refusing to complete it are giving that reason hence my response. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 There's folk on this forum who won't answer their phones without an appointment so it should come as no surprise that 1/4 of the households haven't filled in their forms! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Boo Khaki said: Depends on how you are quantifying 'significant'. Personally, I'd say that even 0.5% - 1% refusing to complete for political reasons across the entire nation is a 'significant' number, but that's not likely to stand out like a sore thumb when you start comparing one area to another, because it's still a small enough number that you could argue any regional/city discrepancy of that size being down to just about anything you choose. If it can't be picked up in the figures then it's clearly not 'significant'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, virginton said: If it can't be picked up in the figures then it's clearly not 'significant'. Or it could just be that the dispersion of Scotland's population is such that it would be impossible to detect any such thing in the vast majority of areas, yet in a large population centre like Glasgow a small percentage is still enough in terms of sheer numbers that it would actually register something is going on. But as others have said, there are far more obvious issues to consider that would account for a large number of incomplete census forms in Glasgow itself, and nobody was implying that political objectors alone would be responsible for 25%+ Edited April 28, 2022 by Boo Khaki 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: Or it could just be that the dispersion of Scotland's population is such that it would be impossible to detect any such thing in the vast majority of areas, yet in a large population centre like Glasgow a small percentage is still enough in terms of sheer numbers that it would actually register something is going on. If it is so small that it can't be detected and measured anywhere in the country, it clearly isn't a significant causal explanation. Yet for some reason it has been the focus of this discussion, based on a mix of sketchy anecdotes and wishful thinking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, virginton said: If it is so small that it can't be detected and measured anywhere in the country, it clearly isn't a significant causal explanation. Yet for some reason it has been the focus of this discussion, based on a mix of sketchy anecdotes and wishful thinking. This discussion is on it's 8th page and it's been mentioned in barely a handful of posts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 It's going to turn out that half of the online submissions never registered because of some IT glitch (doesn't work if you used Chrome, or something equally ridiculous), isn't it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 About anything and everything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 12 hours ago, ICTChris said: A census taker once tried to test me. I put his letter in the bin and then posted about it on the internet. That Dick Campbell, right old laugh, isn't he....! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Or, like the vaccine passport fiasco, it'll only guarantee to work if you use a smartphone. As long as that smartphone is no older than 2 years. The phone number you have to call when the website doesn't work will be manned by one person between the hours of 11:13 and 11:23 on Mondays and Fridays only (excluding bank holidays) and IF you get through the person will re-direct you back to the broken website. BUT the main thing is that @welshbairn will have experienced no personal problems accessing the site and therefore will be happy to conclude and insist that there's no issues. I've clearly still not got over that incident. Still fucking raging. I believe that the administration of the vaccine passport had been tendered to one Div McDonald and St Mirren had lost that day... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Angus Robertson clutching at straws over the census fiasco. Ukraine invasion partly to blame for Scots census fiasco, says Nicola Sturgeon’s minister (telegraph.co.uk) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) On 28/04/2022 at 22:49, oaksoft said: Or, like the vaccine passport fiasco, it'll only guarantee to work if you use a smartphone. As long as that smartphone is no older than 2 years. The phone number you have to call when the website doesn't work will be manned by one person between the hours of 11:13 and 11:23 on Mondays and Fridays only (excluding bank holidays) and IF you get through the person will re-direct you back to the broken website. BUT the main thing is that @welshbairn will have experienced no personal problems accessing the site and therefore will be happy to conclude and insist that there's no issues. I've clearly still not got over that incident. Still fucking raging. It wasn't just that I managed to negotiate the system, it was that everyone I know including everyone on here apart from you did. And at the same time you were saying you would never need the proof of vax anyway as you didn't go abroad or to anywhere that required one domestically. Edited April 30, 2022 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 The Tines is reporting that most of the census staff involved in collections have fixed term contracts due to end in May and the extension means they will need their contracts pushed out. Obviously if they don’t want to or have something else lined up that could negatively impact getting the responses in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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